"Casterproofing" the sport

The Riot wrote:

Source on the Lance Armstrong lactic acid claim? There were a lot of smoke and mirrors explanations like this about him to explain away his superhuman performance on a bike back when he first blew up, which later turned out to be completely bogus. Based on everything I have read from actual investigative journalists, he was a very good high school athlete but not great (no league or state championships in running or swimming, no national age group honors, etc) who probably got on the juice very early. This potentially led to his cancer early in his cycling career, and then he turned out to be a superresponder to EPO, which launched him into being a great stage racer. Previously to that, he was a one day specialist who couldn’t even finish stage races.

You're correct about the smoke-and-mirrors explanations for Armstrong's superhuman performances, but as for him being "a very good high school athlete, but not great," that's just dead wrong. In triathlon Armstrong was beating senior men by age 15, he turned pro at 16, and was national sprint course tri champion for two consecutive years while still in his teens. Yes, triathlon is not an interscholastic sport, but Armstrong was one off the best pros in that sport while of high school age. Given subsequent revelations of course, exactly how and why Armstrong was such an athletic prodigy is up for debate.

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

vandelayindustries wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

Uh yes I can. Semenya can jog 1:55s all day and would beat Houlihan 100 times out of 100

The conversion on Houlihan's 1500 PR is 1:53. Semenya has only ever run 1:54. It stands to reason that the two of them would have quite the showdown.

Your conversion tables are garbage

Dril wrote:

OR draw no line and force everyone to compete for fastest human or other objective subgroups (eg, age with proof, weight, height)

The end.

I propose the objective subgroup of human beings with XX chromosomes, which can be proven through a once in a lifetime not-too-invasive procedure. How is that for a earth shatteringly innovative idea?

vandelayindustries wrote:

So what should the IAAF do to actually fairly prevent Caster Semenya from having an uncontrollable advantage?

They've actually done it already with CAS's approval. Now what's needed is to extend it to all the women's events.

YMMV wrote:

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

It is simply incorrect to think that you can tell a person’s sex just looking at whether he or she has a Y chromosome.

Some women with a "Y" are less manly that 100% pure "XX" women.

Special wrote:

vandelayindustries wrote:

So what should the IAAF do to actually fairly prevent Caster Semenya from having an uncontrollable advantage?

They've actually done it already with CAS's approval. Now what's needed is to extend it to all the women's events.

The wrong solution until you extend the bad to men as well. And not just X and Y, but other genetic oddities. Michael Phelps has double jointed ankles which give his kick a ridiculous range -- he is like the blade runner guy.

Xyx wrote:

She knows deep down that she is cheating, but doesn't have the sense of morality to care.

It isn' t much different from the doped beyond belief radcliffe or doorbell mo competing against honest athletes.

vandelayindustries wrote:

Let's not assume that she is maliciously acting here.

That's ridiculous. Of course he is cheating and acting maliciously.

He has known all the time that he's an XY DSD person, not an XX non DSD woman,

yet he has continued to cheat by competing in women's events with women.

And STOP trying to tell me to call an XY person a she, because that is not correct and never has been.

Calling a male a she is disrespectful to women everywhere, and I don't care what some male cheater wants.

Simple, XX you enter the Female category, XY, male. Social constructs and bs self identification need not co e into it.

Simple. wrote:

Simple, XX you enter the Female category, XY, male. Social constructs and bs self identification need not co e into it.

Ahme, no. "You" enter?

BTW: There are XXY, XYY, XXXY, XXXX, XXYY, and XYYY options.

YMMV wrote:

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

Well said.

If you have a "Y", you compete as a guy.

XXY wrote:

Simple. wrote:

Simple, XX you enter the Female category, XY, male. Social constructs and bs self identification need not co e into it.

Ahme, no. "You" enter?

BTW: There are XXY, XYY, XXXY, XXXX, XXYY, and XYYY options.

Did you sleep through the part in biology class when they talk about these exceptions to the rule? Since you did, read up.

XXXX, has only been documented in a about hundred cases since 1961.

XXXY, is just a male with two extra X chromosomes.

XXYY syndrome, is just where a male has 48 instead of 46 chromosomes. And it only occurres in about every 1 in 18000-40000 male births.

And on the XYYY, it is a rare diease.

In all of these cases, they are exceptions to the rule. And for 99.99% of the human population it is as simple as XX and XY. And for the cases above, they still fall into male or female categories.

And the greatness of Lance in his era where all top cyclists were doping was his great mental strength and his high bike racing IQ. Lance was a genius on the bike and he knew how to win. You can't win seven TDFs and not be great.

Nor can you win them without being juiced to the gills.