Rojo claims "several" NCAA footballers can split 46 for 400m in a DMR. Is that true?

anthony schwartz 400m PR 48.64

lmfao

I agree. If only two guys were sub 47 last year in the NCAA DMR, no way several footballers could do sub 46.

That's because rojo has no idea what fast is really like in a sprint. 46 is not chump change.

If you were to say that there are lot of athletes who if trained correctly and got their heads around it could run 46 then I agree. I ran 46. I know what it takes. If you have a modicum of strength speed and power and a lot of mental toughness, its not too difficult.

But if you wish to nominate a footballer who is not RG3 and say he could go out cold and do it, no.

I think that if you gathered players from any college football team and had them do one month of track practice, chances are not a single one could split sub 50 if they had no track experience or regular track training.

no don't listen to him. 46 is too fast for football players. 50 seconds is the average fast football player.

This is one of several reasons the DMR is stupid. You can win a national championship with a 49 second guy, because it's not worth searching for someone who can actually run a national class time.

Iowa has 12 guys who have split from 44-48 currently on their roster. How can Wisconsin only have 1?

If a long jumper can consistently jump about 26 feet and can consistently sprint 21.00 FAT 200m, said jumper/sprinter is a big man on campus. He may not want to mess up a good thing. There are coaches who make 400m guys do mileage runs. That's a deal breaker for some jumper/sprinters.

Yeah rojo is full of it. Football players are too bulky and lack the specific speed endurance qualities of elite 400m runners. The guys in the list who are 45-something performers are/were elite sprinters who converted to football, and whose times would not have held up during their football careers e.g. Carr, 200m WR holder, no way he was going that fast when bulked up for football, Whitted likewise. Their football-active 100 times would hold up much better vs PRs than their 400 times.

Star wrote:

I think that if you gathered players from any college football team and had them do one month of track practice, chances are not a single one could split sub 50 if they had no track experience or regular track training.

This is laughable. RG3 hasn't run track in 10 years. You don't think he could break 50 flat? Or does his track experience from 10 years ago count?

Hardloper wrote:

This is one of several reasons the DMR is stupid. You can win a national championship with a 49 second guy, because it's not worth searching for someone who can actually run a national class time.

^^^ We have a winner. The point of the article was I don't like the DMR very much.

Hahaha, you make a good point. The 400m split in the DMR world record by the US in 2015 was Brycen Spratling in 45.95. Crazy how pretty much a 46 split, which isn't even in the 400m all time top list on IAAF's website (which only goes up to 709 entries, with a time of 45.50) is fast enough in the DMR to win the WORLD RECORD.

Ok, I just texted a Power 5 d1 coach and asked him if I was crazy. Here is what he or she wrote back, "In theory, no (you aren't way off). I think there are guys that with 6-8 weeks of word could run 47 mid. Problem is strength coaches are territorial and the winter and spring are their territory."

And I'm not even talking about the Jeff Demps or Tyreek Hills of the world.

Robert Woods from the LA Rams ran 46.1 in high school. A lot of the best track and field athletes in the NCAA are former Multi-Sport Athletes. Especially football. You look at any of these athlete's past, and a lot of them will have played football in HS, but were better at track and followed the scholarship. These guys are head and shoulders above MOST track and field athletes in terms of athleticism. It is very possible that Power 5 football programs have at least 1-2 guys that can split 46-47 in a 400m.

still doesn't meant you can go get a random football guy and have him run 46. and how are they better than MOST track and field athletes in athletics?

It's an exaggeration. Kind of a dumb one because football players' seasons wrap up in late-December. So, if anything they'd want to take a break and focus on outdoor season more than indoor. A lot of football guys ran track, and the best ones were in the 46-47 range, but the vast majority were 50+ as they might be better at shorter distance or too bulky and playing positions where they weigh 220 pounds +. So really this conversation is around a small part of the 100 guys on a football team. It's the WRs, DBs, a handful of QBs and RBs. Yes if it was outdoor track and your 4x400 team had a weak leg who was running 49-50, I'd think the Coach should press the football coach IF they had a guy who'd run sub-22 in HS to train him up. But for this DMR example, it's probably not gonna happen.

rojo wrote:

Star wrote:

I think that if you gathered players from any college football team and had them do one month of track practice, chances are not a single one could split sub 50 if they had no track experience or regular track training.

This is laughable. RG3 hasn't run track in 10 years. You don't think he could break 50 flat? Or does his track experience from 10 years ago count?

RG3 has tons of track experience, so he doesn't fit my response where I said "had no track experience".

The 400 takes some experience to learn.

You've done a ton of running and couldn't break 50 I presume.

I trained for the 400 and ran 50.20 in high school.

I did split 48 high in college training as an 800 runner.

I don't see some guy without pretty good athletic talent and football conditioning could break 50 without some real training.

You're gonna love this:

The 2003 200m World Champion John Capel has an official 400m PR of 51.04

who cares??? wrote:

still doesn't meant you can go get a random football guy and have him run 46. and how are they better than MOST track and field athletes in athletics?

You are crazy if you don't think most football players can't crush the 60, 100, 200, 400, Throws, Hurdles, and Jumps. For example in the shorter sprints, Christian Coleman ran 4.12 for the 40 yard dash in track spikes which is just ahead of the combine record of 4.22 in football cleats which are much heavier. Coleman sprints for a living. His life is making sure his sprint form is efficient and correct. Football players are not. Yet there are about 10 football players within .2 of Coleman in that 40 yard dash in heavier shoes and no specific training towards sprints. Turn these guys into pro sprinters, and they're easily dominant. And a lot of these football players doing it weighing 20-30 lbs heavier.

Now footballers are better at track athletes at everything other than distance? Why not have the NFL go to the Olympics and break all their records for them? Idiot.

In a distance 11 times shorter than a 400 .2 is a big deal. John Ross was a talented track runner as well in HS. Nobody disputes football players could run well in the 100. Probably many in the 200. The 400 is a different animal.