nike pros are learning to take off the 5% prototypes and hide them real fast

tired of this BS wrote:

USATF 15K This Week wrote:

They are entered again this weekend in USATF Championship.

Does Rule 143 apply in this race?

There should be a protest entered prior to the start of the race to give the cheaters a chance to compete on a level basis.

Here's the farce. IAAF has a different rule 143. USATF didn't adopt the portion about the fine print. Wonder why.

The portion about the prototype...

gads wrote:

You’ve no idea what you’re talking about OP.

Trust me, no idea at all...

Tell us more. Everytime there' a 5% prototype thread, someone comes on here to shut down dialog. Why would a sponsored athlete crop their shoe in their photo. You're supposed promoting the brand, but you crop out the shoe?

Who do you run for gads?

You are correct.

They weaken it to

"3. (a) A competitor may compete in bare feet or with footwear on one or both feet. The

purpose of shoes for competition is to give protection and stability to the feet and

a firm grip of the ground. Such shoes, however, must not be constructed so as to

give the competitor any unfair assistance or advantage.

NOTE 1: Adaption of a shoe to suit the characteristic of a particular competitor’s

foot is permitted if made in accordance with the general principles of these Rules.

NOTE 2: Where evidence is provided to USATF that a type of shoe being used in

competition does not comply with the Rules, USATF may refer the shoe for study and

if there is non-compliance may prohibit such shoes from being used in competition."

So meaningless statement how can you provide evidence that a shoe does not comply.

USATF typically adopts IAAF standards and rules but in this specific case they danced right over the IAAF changes to Rule 143 for reasons unknown.

(btw athletes and/or coaches have to pay USATF to file a protest, they actually charge to discourage it)

What's interesting is the part about "appliances" and "increasing the thickness of the sole above the permitted maximum" - is a carbon spring an "appliance" that allows them to stack twice the thickness of the foam? It would be marshmallow pile otherwise.

2019 USATF Rulebook now says on page 49:

With 12000 on the line and a relatively weak field in the women's 15km you can bet they will take every edge to create an unfair advantage that is available to them.

These are sub-elites with one of the few opportunities to actually win an event with a decent prize payoff.

Entries that look like possible winner are names like: Sachtieben, Abrahamson, Van Beek, Kemp, Jermann, Gray (in no particular order). Men have a much deeper with the Nike and Army entries.

So if only one runner has access to 5% that theoretically provides her with almost a 30 seconds advantage over the sea of 4%'ers.

I predict the winner to be the 5% shoe by 15 seconds so not best runner but best shoe.

gads wrote:

You’ve no idea what you’re talking about OP.

Trust me, no idea at all...

+1

I think its more interesting that they are wearing Runscribes! I'd love to see their gait analysis and how it evolves over the race as they get tired.

gingerneil wrote:

I think its more interesting that they are wearing Runscribes! I'd love to see their gait analysis and how it evolves over the race as they get tired.

are those runscribes or are they the special timing chips that elites/pros are required to wear in most races?

hmm I guess the timing chips are more like flat cards so you may be right

well nike won't share that data but some sub/elites post their races on strava and you can use stravistix

however you aren't going to see any of them "get tired" in an 8 mile race that many of them just used as a tempo workout to review the course

almost all of these from March 2nd are the "road to gold"

ah looks like someone finally made a segment but it doesn't show everyone because it's imperfect

Those aren’t the 5%, the 5% is essentially the 4% elite that kipchoge and Mo have been wearing all this time but with a lime green mayfly type upper. You can find them on proto instagram pages. I’ve seen them in person, they’ll be out soon at $275.00. Pictured here are the so called 6% or just the next shoe in line after the 5%. The 5% is already made, so of course they’ll be working on the 6% already.

they are the vaporfly 10%, with the built in motor bruh

Morton wrote:

Spy pics? wrote:

You care way too much about what shoes everyone wears. It’s pathetically obsessive.

Definitely a little weird.

Yeah he is. He’s a massive forefoot striker so gets no benefit from the VP. Therefore he’s accepted he’ll never break 26 in the 5k.

Zoom zoom zoom is a prick wrote:

Morton wrote:

Definitely a little weird.

Yeah he is. He’s a massive forefoot striker so gets no benefit from the VP. Therefore he’s accepted he’ll never break 26 in the 5k.

Precisely how Rupp got his PF.

You can't prance around in shoes that function off a heel/flat to toe-off function.

Shunpo wrote:

Those aren’t the 5%, the 5% is essentially the 4% elite that kipchoge and Mo have been wearing all this time but with a lime green mayfly type upper. You can find them on proto instagram pages. I’ve seen them in person, they’ll be out soon at $275.00. Pictured here are the so called 6% or just the next shoe in line after the 5%. The 5% is already made, so of course they’ll be working on the 6% already.

With the 5% coming out, will the 4% be on sale?

Zoom zoom zoom is a prick wrote:

Morton wrote:

Definitely a little weird.

Yeah he is. He’s a massive forefoot striker so gets no benefit from the VP. Therefore he’s accepted he’ll never break 26 in the 5k.

100% of his posts are about shoes and even if the thread isn't about shoes he injects a comment about shoes, and he's always looking for pics. It's weird af.

The black shoe is a prototype that Kiochoge has been wearing in training. It has smart adaptive tech in the midsole. The 5% will be released soon. Its basically a 4% with a deeper spring. The Iaaf needs to act now by allowing a maximum depth for the midsole. If this continues you are just going to see increasingly ridiculous shoes to accommodate bigger and more effective leaf springs. It's a joke.

The black shoe is trying to address the massive pronation/torque issue the 4% has. Probably 90 percent of those I see wearing it appear to be trying to touch their inner ankle bones to the ground.

And YES, if someone doesn't step in and stop this arms race, we will see midsoles reach ten inches in height, with huge levers allowing a 16-foot stride. The only good news is that it will be easier to dress like a member of KISS on Halloween.

tarckstar wrote:

The black shoe is trying to address the massive pronation/torque issue the 4% has. Probably 90 percent of those I see wearing it appear to be trying to touch their inner ankle bones to the ground.

that kind of interesting insight is why I put up with the troll brigade

Jordan Hasay has been using some kind of modification to the midfoot on the sole, you can clearly see the cutout in this photo

Springs? There are no springs, you idiot. It's a carbon fiber plate. The main problem with the 4% is that it exacerbates any stability issues that you might already have in a normal shoe.

The plate can also creates issues for a lot of folks, including plantar fasciitis. They actually had to shorten the plate in Galen's because it was causing foot problems.

Those could be old prototype 4%s. I've seen a couple pairs of those and they look similar