Democrats lose again
Democrats lose again
is this legal?? wrote:
The teacher made posts unrelated to the school, teachers, faculty, students, etc.
It was a strictly political post. No threats or call to action. On her personal media account, posted while at home...
She has been indefinitely 'suspended'.
How is this legal?
You're either not telling us the entire story or just making this up.
Case law would demand that a connection between the political comment and her job would need to be made. Assuming she didn't ask her students to march with her in some protest or rally....or something such as that.....she should not face discipline for expressing a political opinion. No school district would be stupid enough to make this move as it is an easy loser.
TTH wrote:
is this legal?? wrote:
The teacher made posts unrelated to the school, teachers, faculty, students, etc.
It was a strictly political post. No threats or call to action. On her personal media account, posted while at home...
She has been indefinitely 'suspended'.
How is this legal?
You're either not telling us the entire story or just making this up.
Case law would demand that a connection between the political comment and her job would need to be made. Assuming she didn't ask her students to march with her in some protest or rally....or something such as that.....she should not face discipline for expressing a political opinion. No school district would be stupid enough to make this move as it is an easy loser.
False. Schools can discipline teachers for minor social media infractions. Learn the law before you get so snotty
LEDI wrote:
Were the posts racist on top of being political? Are you sharing all of the information? Hate speech isn't free speech.
This is right, depends on what was said and how it was said. If it was racist then schools often fire people. And there are specific rules at the state, district, and local levels that would factor in on political comments and behavior.
finally this wrote:
LEDI wrote:
Were the posts racist on top of being political? Are you sharing all of the information? Hate speech isn't free speech.
This is right, depends on what was said and how it was said. If it was racist then schools often fire people. And there are specific rules at the state, district, and local levels that would factor in on political comments and behavior.
Where in the constitution does it say, 'you have the freedom to say what you want, as long as I deem it not hateful.'? Because last I checked, the First Amendment said:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
is this legal?? wrote:
The teacher made posts unrelated to the school, teachers, faculty, students, etc.
It was a strictly political post. No threats or call to action. On her personal media account, posted while at home...
She has been indefinitely 'suspended'.
How is this legal?
The teacher should have known better. For that reason alone he/she deserves to be suspended. I mean, how dumb can you be?
is this legal?? wrote:
The teacher made posts unrelated to the school, teachers, faculty, students, etc.
It was a strictly political post. No threats or call to action. On her personal media account, posted while at home...
She has been indefinitely 'suspended'.
How is this legal?
It's a gray area for sure. If it was facebook, probably makes it even worse. That's just a sign of the times we're in. I worked at a HS years back out of college, and I deleted facebook, and kept my twitter account anonymous and private. This was still kinda the early days of at least twitter being what it is now. If you're employed at a school, every single post can be spun into their own narrative if even ONE person feels offended by it.
Hopefully it's nothing the teacher loses their job over. Anything political though can get dark, real quick.
LEDI wrote:
Were the posts racist on top of being political? Are you sharing all of the information? Hate speech isn't free speech.
"Hate speech" as a legal concept doesn't just refer to racist speech. It is speech that is designed to incite violence against a certain group.
The first amendment protects racist speech. Of course, that has nothing to do with whether private employers can fire you for it, but that isn't a free speech issue. Free speech only protects you from government action, and those protections certainly include racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. speech.
Stupid fucks like this who support a party that has done everything they can to destroy unions and appoint judges that are hostile to any labor protections then have the temerity to complain when there aren't fucking labor protections in the workplace. I mean, it's still wrong but the irony is too much.
ehhhh wrote:
You're either not telling us the entire story or just making this up.
Case law would demand that a connection between the political comment and her job would need to be made. Assuming she didn't ask her students to march with her in some protest or rally....or something such as that.....she should not face discipline for expressing a political opinion. No school district would be stupid enough to make this move as it is an easy loser.
False. Schools can discipline teachers for minor social media infractions. Learn the law before you get so snotty[/quote]
Agreed. What's the infraction?
Precious Roy wrote:
In my district, a second grade teacher got fired for being a regular caller to a local conservative political talk show. She got terminated when she made some very vulgar and racist comments on the show. She tried to claim her first amendment rights and lawyered up. But they caved pretty quick and agreed to resign in exchange for a few weeks of severance.
Roy, how could she resign and receive severance AFTER being terminated?
I was also going to say the only possible way this happens today is if you publicly support a republican/right issue or politician. The blue lynch mobs will have zero tolerance for ideas they don't agree with and will stop at nothing to silence them.
is this legal?? wrote:
Double Standard wrote:
Sounds like she made a statement that may be interpreted as a show of support of the current president. Now the lynch mobs are out to get her. Not unexpected in today's climate, but completely unacceptable from any objective viewpoint.
I do know she supports the President and voted for him, but she has never expressed anything political while at school. She's very mild-mannered. If I'm not mistaken, the post in question was actually an infographic or meme - not even a full-fledged comment, per se. She's a single mother of two, and as her friend and coworker, I find this whole thing very troubling. She has not been informed how, but the post was obviously reported to administration, with several severe complaints. I just find it scary that in this day and age, employers have so much power, that you have to essentially censor yourself, even on your own personal social media profile, even if your activity in no way relates to your employer.
Someone posts a hypothetical with no information about the content of the posts except his own opinion of whether they were appropriate, and absolute legal opinions and angry objections are handed down by letsrun legal scholars. Nice.
I know the teacher in question and she wrote:
Hilary can suck my fat droopy breasts, she has Libyan blood on her hands.
is this legal?? wrote:
Double Standard wrote:
Sounds like she made a statement that may be interpreted as a show of support of the current president. Now the lynch mobs are out to get her. Not unexpected in today's climate, but completely unacceptable from any objective viewpoint.
I do know she supports the President and voted for him, but she has never expressed anything political while at school. She's very mild-mannered. If I'm not mistaken, the post in question was actually an infographic or meme - not even a full-fledged comment, per se. She's a single mother of two, and as her friend and coworker, I find this whole thing very troubling. She has not been informed how, but the post was obviously reported to administration, with several severe complaints. I just find it scary that in this day and age, employers have so much power, that you have to essentially censor yourself, even on your own personal social media profile, even if your activity in no way relates to your employer.
Can you analogize the meme?
Does the teacher work for a private or public school?
Public sector employees, including public school teachers, definitely enjoy some first amendment protections that private employees may not benefit from, but First Amendment protections are fact and situation specific.
Unless this meme is extremely offensive (e.g., racist, anti-protected class, etc.), or makes allegations that are patently false or misleading, I find it highly highly unusual that a public school teacher would be suspended without first receiving some type of warning. If she's a public school teacher, she should consult her union rep, bc a suspension for one-off silly Facebook share sounds really bizarre. However, if she's a private school teacher, she may sol for being stupid.
It's ridiculously easy to thoughtlessly post hyper offensive crap on facebook. Lesson: Check yo' self before you wreck yo' self.
Democrats lose again wrote:
Democrats lose again
Agree. Teachers are democrat pieces of trash who can’t do anything.
Agree with this wrote:
I think this is right
The same way the NFL could have immediately sanctioned Kaepernick the first time if it wanted to
Nope. The NFL had no policy (and still doesn't) on player conduct during the national anthem. The NFL can't sanction a player for something that there's no rule about or isn't covered in the CLB.
depends on the school system's policy... if it says that teachers can't post something specifically, and they do , then yes. Must be in contractual agreement. Most teachers don't pay attention to their administrative procedures. Ours, for example, says you can't post about children unless given permission. If you do, you can be terminated.
get what you deserve wrote:
Stupid fucks like this who support a party that has done everything they can to destroy unions and appoint judges that are hostile to any labor protections then have the temerity to complain when there aren't fucking labor protections in the workplace. I mean, it's still wrong but the irony is too much.
100%
Good points. Helps if the teacher organization is an affiliated union and not just a local "association."