Is plant-based diet truly the best for running?

we are not meant to be herbivorous wrote:

Why would you consume something you can not digest or get any nutrients from?

Exactly, You get no nutrients from plants. That's why all vegetarians starve to death.

On the other hand, since you get no nutrients from plants, it's the same as fasting, so if you need to lose weight, eat as much plant-based food as you want and you'll just keep losing weight. But stop before you starve to death like every vegetarian.

omg this dude is dense wrote:

we are not meant to be herbivorous wrote:

Why would you consume something you can not digest or get any nutrients from?

Exactly, You get no nutrients from plants. That's why all vegetarians starve to death.

On the other hand, since you get no nutrients from plants, it's the same as fasting, so if you need to lose weight, eat as much plant-based food as you want and you'll just keep losing weight. But stop before you starve to death like every vegetarian.

I know you're being sarcastic. But, you're right, but you don't realize it.

Plant-based diet makes you scrawny fat. You need to eat animal meat to get buff and ripped!

Here's a typical meat eater.

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simultaneously causing the obesity epidemic while starving vegans from their indigestible nature.

carbs wrote:

simultaneously causing the obesity epidemic while starving vegans from their indigestible nature.

Depends on the type of carbohydrates you are consuming. If you are eating very fibrous foods you won't be digesting any nutrients. With the obesity epidemic, most people are eating a very refined diet. I.e. high in refined flour, sugar and vegatble oil. Than it is much more easy to over consume the calories and get fat. Plus vegans eat a very low/poor quality diet in protien. This contributes to there muscle wasting. What foods did people eat in starvation camps? Very interesting how plant base there diets were:

Sure you are .... wrote:

Here's a typical meat eater.

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Average american consumes 20% of there calories from grains, and 20% from vegetable oils. But let's blame meat for obesity. Also, here's what a true meat eating population looks like:

Veganism is a good diet for brittle bones, which is something really desirable for runners.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30376075

Can one run really fast and be healthy on an omnivore's diet? Of course. Most pros are.

Can one do that on a 100% vegan (plant based whole grain) diet. Yes....at this day and age.

Can do that on a 100% meat diet? No. They would become unhealthy.

We're not dogs or like other "carnivores" (despite people sawing in the other thread that our teeth, jaws and digestive tracts are "just like dogs"). Try biting through the hide of a cow with your "strong jaws and sharp teeth"....try eating raw chicken meat and see how that goes for you...

Would I be vegan in the Paleo era? No. I would die. Can I be vegan in Boulder nowadays? Yes it is very easy...and there are more and more people eating vegan and trying vegan things across the world.

Plants and fruits are some of the most nutrient foods per calorie that you can possibly have. Chock full of antioxidants. Everyone knows that "eating more vegetables" is generally a good thing for healthy from reducing the risk of cancer to improving health markers and staying lean. We cook some, but eating a lot raw (i.e. salads and such) means you are still digesting nutrients (And the fiber is good for you). It's not like we eat grass.

Worried about Protein? All essential amino acids can be found in plant sources. If you are eating enough calories and eating a somewhat balanced diet there is no reason that you would ever be "low on protein." Worried about Omegas? Have some flax/nuts and maybe an algae based DHA oil. We get that from fish...which get that from the algae. But not much of those essential fatty acids are really needed...some are of course. Vitamin B12? Yeah that is a big one...for all runners (just like iron). We used to get that from rivers/streams and well water since it is a bacteria. I recommend all people take B12. Calcium? Some of the best sources are from vegetables. There are also studies that correlate high dairy consuming countries with high rates of bone problems and breast cancer. Yes I know "correlation doesn't mean causation," but the fact of the matter is you don't need cow's milk/dairy to get enough calcium or protein or whatever people think we need from it.

Brittle bones are caused by the acidity in meat and dairy.

The body tries to neutralize the acidity with calcium, which causes the bones to be brittle.

Vegetarian diets are generally alkaline. Thus vegetarians have longer lasting bones than meat eaters.

Since you brought it up ~ wrote:

Brittle bones are caused by the acidity in meat and dairy.

The body tries to neutralize the acidity with calcium, which causes the bones to be brittle.

Vegetarian diets are generally alkaline. Thus vegetarians have longer lasting bones than meat eaters.

That whole alkaline myth is BS. Meat actually have nutrients in it that is necessary for healthy bone health. And if the vegan hypothesis is true about the acidity of meat and milk, explain why vegans have lower bone density? Also, the anti nutrients in plants actually prevent the body asorbtion of minerals.

I would also add that is it probably not as simple as just having enough calcium in regards to bone health as obviously things like Vitamin D levels are another part of the puzzle with that.

Most Americans are probably low in Vitamin D right now.

As usual sage, you are saying a bunch of vegan nonsense. On calcium, your body on not absorb the calcium in plants. And the plants that you vegans point to as being high sources of calcium are the ones with anti nutrients that prevent the body from absorbing vitamins and minerals. On omega 3, your body has a very poor conversion rate of ALA to DHEA AND EPA. On the digestive system there you go again saying a bunch of vegan nonsense. Our jaw, teeth and digestive system is way more adapt to digesting raw meat than it is to consume raw plant matter. Than you make the claim that a 100% vegan diet is healthy. According to whom? Look up the German nutrion statement on vegan diets. Than your statement on 100% carnivore diet is based off of what? Vegan propaganda?

I dig the name drop of Boulder, represent son!

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

Since you brought it up ~ wrote:

Brittle bones are caused by the acidity in meat and dairy.

The body tries to neutralize the acidity with calcium, which causes the bones to be brittle.

Vegetarian diets are generally alkaline. Thus vegetarians have longer lasting bones than meat eaters.

That whole alkaline myth is BS. Meat actually have nutrients in it that is necessary for healthy bone health. And if the vegan hypothesis is true about the acidity of meat and milk, explain why vegans have lower bone density? Also, the anti nutrients in plants actually prevent the body asorbtion of minerals.

99% of what Lydiard Cerutty says is nonsense, including using the BS term "anti-nutrient" and his claim that you can't absorb calcium from plants. But he's right about this. The whole alkaline food diet thing is nonsense and isn't even based on anything. I mean, alkalinity is a real thing, but it has absolutely nothing to do with how the alkaline diet people use the word. You cannot change the pH of your body. If you did, you would die. And no, brittle bones are not caused by acidity in meat and dairy, where does that even come from? It makes no sense.

Yes, because it leaves more real food for those of us with an IQ above room temperature.

Lydiard Cerutty wrote:

That whole alkaline myth is BS. Meat actually have nutrients in it that is necessary for healthy bone health. And if the vegan hypothesis is true about the acidity of meat and milk, explain why vegans have lower bone density? Also, the anti nutrients in plants actually prevent the body asorbtion of minerals.

Everything you stated is wrong.

Congratulations! You have won the idiot of the thread award!

On the PH issue:

List of anti nutrients in plants: phytic acid, Tannins, lectin, protease inhibitors, and calcium oxalate(primailry found in leafy greens that you vegans claim are high in calcium. calcium oxalates prevents the body from calcium absorption) just to name a few anti nutrients.

On your body conversion rate of ALA to DHA and EPA:

Wrong video, here's the one on Alkaline diets and PH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEt_hZzM0_w