Is Tuohy the GOAT HS Girl distance runner?

There is no denying that if she isn’t already, (barring injury) she’ll be the HS GOAT after outdoor. It’s just that some people don’t wanna admit it this early even with three national records to prove it.

Over the years we have seen numerous performancs from Junior and youth athletes that astound us and all have come from other countries. I have been waiting on U.S.A to have such an athlete that deliver. Sub 15:20 outdoors for 5000m wouldnt surprise me and it would only bring U.S.A into the top 10 all-time junior and youth list.

she is doping. no questions asked

To cover all bases, I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with this, minus the no questions asked. The sad reality is you have to have some skepticism in these cases, even if it is just a high schooler.

What is apparent already is that she will be a marathon superstar. The First American woman to go 2:17. No "kick" needed.

Runner1218 wrote:

I should have qualified this thread as US XC, but even as best CC HS Runner she may take the cake.

I don’t think either of the two stated women can beat her.

We'll see how Tuohy progresses, but Zola Budd likely would beat her in a theoretical high school race. She won the senior division of the World Cross Country Championships at 18 (maybe a year out of high school?), and won again the next year. Her first win at World Cross was 15:01 on a 4.99 km course.

Imogen Stewart will destroy every record.

http://age-records.125mb.com

What I love about Tuohy is that she actually RUNS. She uses her whole body. Attacking each stride. It's awesome to watch especially when you compare her to the other girls in the race (including my daughters!!) that sort've shuffle and/or have a limited stride. Tuohy has power with each stride. Great to watch.

GOAT? Does she have the Foot Locker course record? She's dang close, but I think of Slaney, Cain, and Fairchild in this group as well.

You Americans are so patriotic and believe that you’re perfect.

Cool Tuohy may be SUPER fast for American standards sure, but the girl is definitely not a world beater at 16years of age!

She still has a long way to go before she’s able to reach the world stage and may be hit by a number of problems before she gets there that may reduce/hinter her performance.

Anyhow she’s great for an American but let’s not forget the 194 remaining country’s out there where equal/better talent exists!

Have you heard about Georgie Clarke was also a prodigy running 4.17 as a 13 year old and 4.06 as a 16 year old for the 1500m? Unfortunately she didn’t make it to world success! What about 12 year old Imogen Stewart who hold countless more international age records then Tuohy!!! She’s current just like Tuohy! Wow hey? That’s right....... Touhy is far from being a Jakob.

Nevertheless any white athlete can forget about Olympic success Centro won the lottery and Rupp has been a labrat to who knows WTF Alberto Salazar has done to him. As long as their are East-Africans the world is screwed from 800m-Marathon. Irrespective of what you guys believe the FACTS are against you all! Who hold the records from 100m-Marathon Africans! Get with it they are genetically superior regarding running. Lol keep dreaming, she’ll get destroyed by East African girls who are of the same age or even younger. Sorry guys but she can still be the best white girl, if she holds up and doesn’t plateau through burn out.

Your entire off-topic fallacious argument is based on unrelatable examples.

doug soles wrote:

she is doping. no questions asked

Again, a prime example of what is wrong with this site.

Some basement fapping moron can post something like this without identifying himself nor offering any proof.

You are pathetic 'doug'.

Gjert wrote:

18 months ago, Jakob was in about 13:5x shape for 5000m. This is no better than 16:15 for a women's 5000m...ON THE TRACK.

False. 13:5x is about 8% behind the best men in the world. 8% slower than the top women would be mid 15s.

Tuohy could clearly run mid 15s, so your point is still valid. Comparing 13:5x to 16:15 is laughable though.

GBohannon wrote:

Gjert wrote:

18 months ago, Jakob was in about 13:5x shape for 5000m. This is no better than 16:15 for a women's 5000m...ON THE TRACK.

False. 13:5x is about 8% behind the best men in the world. 8% slower than the top women would be mid 15s.

Tuohy could clearly run mid 15s, so your point is still valid. Comparing 13:5x to 16:15 is laughable though.

yeah, without quantifying it too much, her times/performances put her, so far, in the Ritzenheim stratosphere; running at elite NCAA level in high school, crushing course records on the regional and national high school level, definitely in the running for all time great high school cross country runner. My guess is that if she ran junior IAAF world cross, she'd medal, as did Ritz.

I don't think it is very close, my thoughts:

1. Mary Decker Slaney - International Success in HS

Then the rest:

2. Efraimson - 4:03, 2:01, 9:00 in HS

3. Cain - 4:04, 9:03

4. Tuohy - Good times, but watched her fall apart in the Armory. She can be great, but will need to learn how to handle the pressure. Would have loved to see her race Efraimson, when Efraimson beat Baxter and Cranny.

Maybe Tuohy and Efraimson will race over 3k this year, could be interesting.

Efraimson had incredible range.

Gabby Wilkinson ended up running 2:05 in outdoor. She has great speed which she showed when pulling away from Tuohy at the Armory. Efraimson was faster than Gabby and waaaay stronger. I can't imagine Alexa losing in XC during her Sr year. She was strong enough to hang with anyone and then...wham!

I think too much is being made of the one loss at Millrose. Just a bad day, as her coach said he saw she was not right on lap 2, even though she looked in control most of the way. She certainly has handled a lot of hype at NXN, at the 5 k record attempt, and the 1 mile record attempt. She also has just completed sophomore year in track so comparing her PRs to the others is a little unfair, and also of course this means it is too soon for any GOAT talk. And I would expect she will always compare badly to those mentioned in the 800 and maybe even the 1 mile.

Shut up you f king yank

this is not ok wrote:

doug soles wrote:

she is doping. no questions asked

Again, a prime example of what is wrong with this site.

Some basement fapping moron can post something like this without identifying himself nor offering any proof.

You are pathetic 'doug'.

If I am not mistaken, Doug soles in the coach of Great Oak Hs. Highly unlikely that he would post this, yes, but you should never be so quick to judge. Adding on to what he said, I believe she is doing something out of the ordinary. I mean if she is running the #2 time of the entire day that should raise a red flag. She is running faster than guys who have some pretty solid pr's for crying out loud.

I'd say at this point she's earned a spot roughly in the top 4-8 USA high school girls all time, depending how you measure it. First, you have to define GOAT and whether you're talking more about titles, honors or just fastest times. And with the latter, distance covers 800 to 5k, so measuring an overall distance GOAT is tough. Also, do you include performances as "pros" while the athletes is still in HS?

Tuohy is clearly the fastest ever at the track 5000, in or out, and she may be on her way to becoming the best XC runner of all time. Her performance Saturday was #3 a-t speed rating-wise (FWIW), behind Foot Locker winning performances by Trotter and Fairchild. By the end of this season, she may surpass them and with 1 or 2 more nattys (NXN or FL), she would really cement the best-ever title over 5000 (track/XC combined).

As the 1500/1600/mile and the 3k/3200/2M, she may have the outdoor mile mark and 3200 mark, but on the combined/converted lists, she still ranks behind Cain, Efraimson and Rainsberger (9:00.x 3k outdoors) in the latter and those plus a few more in the former. Cain, Efraimson, Murphy, Aragon and a couple others have run 1500s faster equiv. than Tuohy's 4:33 mile. And as far as 800, Tuohy's not in the conversation yet.

So can Tuohy catch those ahead of her on the above-mentioned lists? If she stays healthy, I can definitely see her breaking Cain's 9:38 2M mark (or equiv. at 3200/3k) this year or the next. The 1500/mile will be tougher, but she might get that, too. She doesn't have Cain's leg speed, but if she got down to 2:04, say, maybe she can run 4:24.