Coleen Quigley runs 9:10 FTW in Berlin! (5+ second PB)

Almostsbs wrote:

Lots of folks post on here that there is no benefit to adding swimming to your workout routine. All of the Bowerman women swim daily. Does he have a different philosophy on swimming benefits?

Different strokes (lame pun intended) for different folks. Swimming seems to help the more injury-prone of the Bowerman Babes, like Colleen and Emily Infeld. If you have decent form, it can be a great cardio cross-training workout. You can get your heart rate up much faster than on the elliptical, spin bike or aqua jogging. I'd also think Gwen Jorgensen does some of it with her triathlon background.

But I've never seen Shelby, Courtney, Shalane, Amy, Kate, Marielle, or any of the others in that massive group post anything about a swimming regimen, so I'm guessing it's not a staple of Jerry's program.

Coleen has all of the tools to become medalist at global championships. I think her racing potential, her ability to win medals exceeds her ability to run fast. Unless she gets much stronger, I don't see sub-9 in the near future. Coleen struggles to maintain contact when the pace is fast but closes well, especially coming off the last hurdle. Compared to Coburn and Fredrichs, Coleen is much more of a miler-type. Coleens 1500 PR is 4:03, she is a world-class miler, but her PRs above that distance are NCAA level. I guess you can say Coleen has more upside than Coburn and Fredrichs because the strength will come if she can stay healthy.

[quote]GFR wrote:

US Steeple Top 5

9:00.85 Courtney Frerichs (Bowerman TC)

9:02.58 Emma Coburn (New Balance)

9:10.28 Colleen Quigley (Bowerman TC)

9:12.50 Jenny Simpson (Colorado) 8/17/09

9:18.85 Leah O’Connor (adidas) 5/28/16

You forgot the US #5 Steeple

9:14.09 Aisha Praught-Leer (UnderArmour) 8/31/2018

Take my word for it wrote:

[quote]GFR wrote:

US Steeple Top 5

9:00.85 Courtney Frerichs (Bowerman TC)

9:02.58 Emma Coburn (New Balance)

9:10.28 Colleen Quigley (Bowerman TC)

9:12.50 Jenny Simpson (Colorado) 8/17/09

9:18.85 Leah O’Connor (adidas) 5/28/16

You forgot the US #5 Steeple

9:14.09 Aisha Praught-Leer (UnderArmour) 8/31/2018

I am very excited to learn that Jamaica has been annexed to the US. Although I guess that means Praught-Leer won't be winning another Commonwealth Games steeple.

She is an American citizen. She competes internationally for Jamaica

Who do you think is the American record holder in the Men's Pole Vault??

Of course it is Armand Duplantis. An American citizen competing internationally Sweden

different strokes wrote:

Almostsbs wrote:

Lots of folks post on here that there is no benefit to adding swimming to your workout routine. All of the Bowerman women swim daily. Does he have a different philosophy on swimming benefits?

Different strokes (lame pun intended) for different folks. Swimming seems to help the more injury-prone of the Bowerman Babes, like Colleen and Emily Infeld. If you have decent form, it can be a great cardio cross-training workout. You can get your heart rate up much faster than on the elliptical, spin bike or aqua jogging. I'd also think Gwen Jorgensen does some of it with her triathlon background.

But I've never seen Shelby, Courtney, Shalane, Amy, Kate, Marielle, or any of the others in that massive group post anything about a swimming regimen, so I'm guessing it's not a staple of Jerry's program.

Makes sense but I noticed thst Colleen referenced Flannigan has helped her with swimming, so I figured Flannigan does a lot of it as well.

TrackCoach wrote:

she is a world-class miler

That suggests she's world-class at the 1500, but that doesn't seem quite right. It's tempting to say she's just another American stuck at 4:03, but that doesn't seem quite right, either. Most of the other Americans with 4:03ish PBs were dragged along to their PBs in fast DL races. Quigley wasn't. She won both of her 4:03 races. That has to count for something.

TrackCoach wrote:

Coleens 1500 PR is 4:03, she is a world-class miler, but her PRs above that distance are NCAA level. I guess you can say Coleen has more upside than Coburn and Fredrichs because the strength will come if she can stay healthy.

What? A 9:10 steeple is NCAA level? That's 14 seconds faster than the NCAA Record (held by Frierichs). I believe the NCAA leader last year was 9:36 (Ostrander). 9:10 is more world class than 4:03 is.

On the cusp wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

she is a world-class miler

That suggests she's world-class at the 1500, but that doesn't seem quite right. It's tempting to say she's just another American stuck at 4:03, but that doesn't seem quite right, either. Most of the other Americans with 4:03ish PBs were dragged along to their PBs in fast DL races. Quigley wasn't. She won both of her 4:03 races. That has to count for something.

Agreed. With the exception of Houlihan being in the race, Colleen won most (every?) mile/1500 she's been in this year, indoor and outdoor (not counting Worlds). I bet if she were in a DL-quality field, she'd have the potential to break 4. It will be interesting to see how she fares in 5th Ave now that it's clear she's in great shape.

4:03 wrote:

On the cusp wrote:

That suggests she's world-class at the 1500, but that doesn't seem quite right. It's tempting to say she's just another American stuck at 4:03, but that doesn't seem quite right, either. Most of the other Americans with 4:03ish PBs were dragged along to their PBs in fast DL races. Quigley wasn't. She won both of her 4:03 races. That has to count for something.

Agreed. With the exception of Houlihan being in the race, Colleen won most (every?) mile/1500 she's been in this year, indoor and outdoor (not counting Worlds). I bet if she were in a DL-quality field, she'd have the potential to break 4. It will be interesting to see how she fares in 5th Ave now that it's clear she's in great shape.

It would be sweet to see someone upset Jenny’s streak.

TrackCoach wrote:

Coleens 1500 PR is 4:03, she is a world-class miler, but her PRs above that distance are NCAA level. I guess you can say Coleen has more upside than Coburn and Fredrichs because the strength will come if she can stay healthy.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

What? A 9:10 steeple is NCAA level? That's 14 seconds faster than the NCAA Record (held by Frierichs). I believe the NCAA leader last year was 9:36 (Ostrander). 9:10 is more world class than 4:03 is.

I took that comment to mean the 3000 flat, 5k and 10k, compared to her speed for 1500m.

4:03 wrote:

With the exception of Houlihan being in the race, Colleen won most (every?) mile/1500 she's been in this year, indoor and outdoor (not counting Worlds).

Worlds is a big exception. She was well-beaten, coming next-to-last. She was nine seconds behind the big girls, and four seconds behind Houlihan. IIRC, she was pretty upset about the logistics in Birmingham; that could not have helped.

It is true she won her one mile race this year, but she did not run especially fast. Her most impressive races in the flat are the 1500 PBs this year and last. I am not sure they foretell a sub-4. Maybe we will know more after Sunday.

Interpretations ... wrote:

TrackCoach wrote:

Coleens 1500 PR is 4:03, she is a world-class miler, but her PRs above that distance are NCAA level. I guess you can say Coleen has more upside than Coburn and Fredrichs because the strength will come if she can stay healthy.

ncrecuvuer wrote:

What? A 9:10 steeple is NCAA level? That's 14 seconds faster than the NCAA Record (held by Frierichs). I believe the NCAA leader last year was 9:36 (Ostrander). 9:10 is more world class than 4:03 is.

I took that comment to mean the 3000 flat, 5k and 10k, compared to her speed for 1500m.

That's exactly what I meant, I am not sure how it got misinterpreted.

4:03 wrote:

On the cusp wrote:

That suggests she's world-class at the 1500, but that doesn't seem quite right. It's tempting to say she's just another American stuck at 4:03, but that doesn't seem quite right, either. Most of the other Americans with 4:03ish PBs were dragged along to their PBs in fast DL races. Quigley wasn't. She won both of her 4:03 races. That has to count for something.

Agreed. With the exception of Houlihan being in the race, Colleen won most (every?) mile/1500 she's been in this year, indoor and outdoor (not counting Worlds). I bet if she were in a DL-quality field, she'd have the potential to break 4. It will be interesting to see how she fares in 5th Ave now that it's clear she's in great shape.

She just ran her 1500 PR a couple weeks ago which is 4:03, which is a long-long way from 3:59. There is a big difference going from 4:07 to 4:03 per se versus 4:03 to 3:59. The fact is, if Colleen ever runs 3:59, she might not ever run the steeple.

Lets just enjoy the progress the younh lady is making in both the 1500m and steeple. Its good for the U.S because now Emma have two competitors for titles when 2 years ago she was on a level by herself among Americans. Now U.S ladies hoping for a steeple team spot know they have to be aming the world best (sub 9:10) just to make the U.S. team. Mow thats great, thanks Emma, Courtney, and Colleen.

Looking forward to the 5th Ave mile matchup next week with Jenny. Should be interesting!

shes doping for sure