big mistake in my opinion-agree with previous posters that he loses the opportunity to go to college and further develop especially given that his times are not pro-level at present---along with getting an education ;ain't like he's doing it for basketball money either; the tough part is he can't go back on his decision now...
rojo wrote:
My thoughts?
This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.
When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"
A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?
I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.
The only thing that makes me think this isn't the dumbest thing ever is he's got Terrence Mahon as a coach and Wetmore as an agent. I respect both of those guys. But the idea that the shoe companies need to pay people to go pro early pisses me off. I love college track. Let them be good there, develop a brand and then go pro.
And I also think 800 guys can be some of the hardest to develop. Now he's decent at xc right (just looked it up 7th fastest at PA state xc meet) so he's probably not a pure speed guy which is good. Actually, I just did some more research and he ran a 4:11 mile as a sophomore. Won Millrose mile this year. Ok, I'm feeling better than I initially was. If a pure 800 1:47 guy went pro, I'd be going crazy. I still don't like it. I just dont' think the point of modern society should be to maximize earnings and don't think we should be having guys go pro for a WNBA salary.
Is there any reason to think he's not going to college in San Diego? How can you fault a guy for choosing to run professionally after his coach quits the team?
Lol @ college being best 4 years of your life. Good for this kid getting a pro contract and money. How many places would he actually get a full athletic scholarship/completely free college education? He might have to take out loans just to life the best 4 years of his life. Now he can train and set his own schedule.
Would Michael Granville have been better off going pro out of high school instead of UCLA? As far as I know he never ran as a pro.
Hoo boy. Hoey is exactly .01 faster than Elijah Greer was in high school. He went on to win an NCAA championship but has done nothing as a pro. Hope things work out better for Hoey, but he's taking a huge gamble.
Since he's really into God bullcrap I have a feeling this guy is going downhill in long-term since he believes in fairy-tales. The God brains of Ryan Hall with the short-term mindset of an Alan Webb
It is a sin to even mention the name of Alan Webb with G_d's.
Alan Webb!
There is no word that express the talent of the upcoming
billionaire, soon to surprise the running community, it's all
due to love. Josh Hoey, is rising to the class of an an Alan Webb
very fast, soon we will all be marching in ranks of six in pressed
white shirts, with Josh and Alan eyeing our strides.:)
Isn't that lovely?
Josh Hoey’s BACK BABY!!!!! He’s BACK!!!!!
This is very odd, he isn't *that* quick. Max Burgin of the UK seems a special talent and has clocked 1'47.36 at the age of 16, but for an 18 year old 1'47 is good but not amazing, baffling decision by all parties
I think he will be like Andrew Wheating in that his results will be like the “Wheating took a beating” threads
Also do his parents value education or do they think pro and then doing his own thing is better?
There was a lot of negative talk in NZ about the Robertson twins going to Kenya as 17 year olds . Although they aren't world or Olympic champions I'd guess they don't have many regrets about the decision they made . Lets hope in years to come Josh Hoeys decision has been the correct one for him . Good luck
i like it. dude got balls. dream big. work hard. go josh!
rojo wrote:
My thoughts?
This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.
When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"
A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?
I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.
The only thing that makes me think this isn't the dumbest thing ever is he's got Terrence Mahon as a coach and Wetmore as an agent. I respect both of those guys. But the idea that the shoe companies need to pay people to go pro early pisses me off. I love college track. Let them be good there, develop a brand and then go pro.
And I also think 800 guys can be some of the hardest to develop. Now he's decent at xc right (just looked it up 7th fastest at PA state xc meet) so he's probably not a pure speed guy which is good. Actually, I just did some more research and he ran a 4:11 mile as a sophomore. Won Millrose mile this year. Ok, I'm feeling better than I initially was. If a pure 800 1:47 guy went pro, I'd be going crazy. I still don't like it. I just dont' think the point of modern society should be to maximize earnings and don't think we should be having guys go pro for a WNBA salary.
This isn't even a good decision financially. Nowhere close.
Whatever he's getting paid, the monetary value of a scholarship to Oregon would be far more. He's made a bad deal even purely financially.
Further, after he has a degree then his earnings potential and employability is much higher, should he drop running in the future for whatever reason.
Terrible decision. With the way the 800m is at the moment, you need to run low 1:44 to even consider going pro in my opinion. 1:45 guys are getting chewed up on the diamond league circuit right now.
ex-runner wrote:
[quote]rojo wrote:
My thoughts?
This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.
When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"
A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?
I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.
Rojo, you hypocrite. What is your website's motto again? "Where your dreams become reality."
Unless you're this kid, right? When he eschews the tried and true route to chase his dream you respond with:
"...This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society."
Why, because you peaked in college and miss the good old days? Or because, as you stated, you think the $ is too little to be worth it?
Money is relative- who is to say that "a WNBA salary" (as you put it) isn't life-changing to him?
And please, for the love of God, brush up on your NCAA knowledge before you talk about it being good for all athletes and sports.
Rojo, you hypocrite. What is your website's motto again? "Where your dreams become reality."
Unless you're this kid, right? When he eschews the tried and true route to chase his dream you respond with:
"...This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society."
Why, because you peaked in college and miss the good old days? Or because, as you stated, you think the $ is too little to be worth it?
Money is relative- who is to say that "a WNBA salary" (as you put it) isn't life-changing to him?
And please, for the love of God, brush up on your NCAA knowledge before you talk about it being good for all athletes and sports.[/quote]
+100
MORONIC low IQ move on his part.
He's not a pro. It's not like he ran 1:44 in HS.
Missing out on an education.
Will never run faster than 1:45.
rojo wrote:
My thoughts?
This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.
When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"
A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?
I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.
The only thing that makes me think this isn't the dumbest thing ever is he's got Terrence Mahon as a coach and Wetmore as an agent. I respect both of those guys. But the idea that the shoe companies need to pay people to go pro early pisses me off. I love college track. Let them be good there, develop a brand and then go pro.
And I also think 800 guys can be some of the hardest to develop. Now he's decent at xc right (just looked it up 7th fastest at PA state xc meet) so he's probably not a pure speed guy which is good. Actually, I just did some more research and he ran a 4:11 mile as a sophomore. Won Millrose mile this year. Ok, I'm feeling better than I initially was. If a pure 800 1:47 guy went pro, I'd be going crazy. I still don't like it. I just dont' think the point of modern society should be to maximize earnings and don't think we should be having guys go pro for a WNBA salary.
More power to him.
It's this wierd american mind set that in certain sports (basketball, football, track and field) that the NCAA is the "natural" way of developing young athletes.
And so tell me the proud alma maters of Bekele, Rudisha, Coe, Ovett, Bolt?
European soccer and basketball players are on the professional track by early adolescence. There's no "one and done" debate in that system. For some reason NCAA folks have this entitled sense that athletes should be in their system before they go pro.
Not a good move in my opinion, not even sure it was a good move for Hunter. Too bad, he is missing out.
Let’s hope that he either is getting his education paid for, which is way more than he would have gotten with his partial scholarship, or that he is not very smart academically anyway and knew that he would struggle in school which makes going straight to the pros a good decision if he snagged a long term contract. I think it is the former, that he was getting a 1/2 scholarship from Oregon but Adidas will pay everything at the college of his choice.
polarbear wrote:
rojo wrote:
My thoughts?
This is disgusting and what's wrong with modern society. Honestly, that's what I'm thinking now. Admittedly that's an uninformed view.
When I first saw it, I was like, "Is this a joke?"
A 1:47 guy goes pro. Why? Why wouldn't you want to go to college - it's the best 4 years of your life? Why would adidas want to sponsor a 1:47 guy?
I've never believed that the NCAA is bad for athletes whether it's football, basketball or track. College gives you reasonable goals. Now this guy can get his head beat in until he runs 1:44 and is relevant.
The only thing that makes me think this isn't the dumbest thing ever is he's got Terrence Mahon as a coach and Wetmore as an agent. I respect both of those guys. But the idea that the shoe companies need to pay people to go pro early pisses me off. I love college track. Let them be good there, develop a brand and then go pro.
And I also think 800 guys can be some of the hardest to develop. Now he's decent at xc right (just looked it up 7th fastest at PA state xc meet) so he's probably not a pure speed guy which is good. Actually, I just did some more research and he ran a 4:11 mile as a sophomore. Won Millrose mile this year. Ok, I'm feeling better than I initially was. If a pure 800 1:47 guy went pro, I'd be going crazy. I still don't like it. I just dont' think the point of modern society should be to maximize earnings and don't think we should be having guys go pro for a WNBA salary.
More power to him.
It's this wierd american mind set that in certain sports (basketball, football, track and field) that the NCAA is the "natural" way of developing young athletes.
And so tell me the proud alma maters of Bekele, Rudisha, Coe, Ovett, Bolt?
European soccer and basketball players are on the professional track by early adolescence. There's no "one and done" debate in that system. For some reason NCAA folks have this entitled sense that athletes should be in their system before they go pro.
Well Coe went to Loughborough which has a better Athletics pedigree than most American universities could wish for. He got a degree in economics or business.
Rudisha went to school at St Patrick's with Brother Colm and was given an education whilst being coached by perhaps the best set up for developing distance athletes that exists on Earth. Leaving high school he had run 1:44 and was World u20 Champ.
Bekele likely didn't get the opportunity to go to university. So many Africans would take that opportunity if given it.
Bolt had already run 19.9 by time he was this kids age. World Junior champion and record holder. Totally different. He was good enough to win senior medals already.
A 15 year old boy ran 1:47 in the UK this year. It's not a pro time.
Have heard dad is a terror so will be interesting to see how that works out