YUKI IS RUNNING CHICAGO

He won’t even be the top Japanese finisher now that Sugura is in the field.

Runnergrl wrote:

This is why the American record will go down. There is no way Galen will let Yuki win. Or Mo.

there will be no slow warm up in this race. Yuki will push it from the beginning. Mo and Galen better be prepared. If all three are ready and injury and illness free I going to put my money on some 2:04 s.

Exactly. Yuki may have entered the marathon to mess with Rupp and Farah. There will be no sit and kick. Rupp and Farah will suffer--boo hoo no personal pacers and personal draft horses. Yuki will suffer too. But of the three Yuki thrives on suffering on runs. Rupp and Farah are snowflakes in comparison.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

He runs too many marathons to be fast, and he ran 2;08 back in 2011. he is 31 now,

FYI: Rupp and Farah are OLDER than Yuki. Okay. Got it?

Yuki does not have a chance.

If 40-50 degrees, no wind, no rain:

Rupp: 2:04:20

Farah: 2:05:10

Yuki: 2:06:50

If 20 degrees and 30 mph winds:

Yuki: 2:09:40

Rupp: DNF

Farah: DNS

end result wrote:

If 40-50 degrees, no wind, no rain: Yuki messes with the pace.

Rupp: Drop at mile 18-20

Farah: 2:18:10 last mile in 8+

Yuki: 2:07:50

If 20 degrees and 30 mph winds:

Yuki: 2:09:40

Rupp: DNS

Farah: DNS

Fixed

Scorpion_runner wrote:

He runs too many marathons to be fast, and he ran 2;08 back in 2011. he is 31 now, and he recently ran 2:22

This dude has run around 82 marathons in his lifetime, and really does not give his body any time to rest. He would be a lot faster if he only ran 2 marathons a year.

He is built for endurance, and has great aerobic ability, but lacks speed intensity/speed endurance to really pop as a marathoner.

In a slow, hilly, tough weather marathon he would definitely be a threat, but he is not built to go out a WR marathon pace.

Agree. However hypothetically if you put Rupp and Farah head to head with Yuki on Yuki's race schedule then they would be falling apart after about 2 months and Yuki would be demolishing them in every race thereafter. It's Yuki's race schedule and quantity of high level results that sets him apart from everyone else. I am pretty shocked that he has not yet had a major running related injury because he has been doing this now for several years on the run.

he is now 31 wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

He runs too many marathons to be fast, and he ran 2;08 back in 2011. he is 31 now,

FYI: Rupp and Farah are OLDER than Yuki. Okay. Got it?

Do they do 6 marathons a year????

82 marathons on his legs and he is 31 now.....speed is not in his future. Father time has never lost

Scorpion_runner wrote:

he is now 31 wrote:

FYI: Rupp and Farah are OLDER than Yuki. Okay. Got it?

Do they do 6 marathons a year????

82 marathons on his legs and he is 31 now.....speed is not in his future. Father time has never lost

Both Rupp and Farah have more mileage on their legs than Yuki.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

he is now 31 wrote:

FYI: Rupp and Farah are OLDER than Yuki. Okay. Got it?

Do they do 6 marathons a year????

82 marathons on his legs and he is 31 now.....speed is not in his future. Father time has never lost

The main difference between Yuki and other elite marathon runners. Is instead of doing his 30-40 kilometres tempo runs at marathon pace in solitude, is that he does races instead. Also, Yuki does less mileage than they do. As he does only about 80-100 miles in singles; as opposed to 120-140 miles in doubles. So, Yuki probably has less total wear and tear then Mo and Galen does.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

This dude has run around 82 marathons in his lifetime, and really does not give his body any time to rest. He would be a lot faster if he only ran 2 marathons a year.

More nonsense. You have no idea if Yuki is overtrained.

Yuki runs the vast majority of his marathons as quick training runs, not flat-out races. It's not that different from what a lot of guys during the 70s did. For someone who trains alone, using races that way makes a lot of sense.

He also has said repeatedly that one of the reasons he's not on a corporate team is because he thinks that they overtrain.

Runnergrl wrote:

Nope it’s going to be a long grind to the end. Galen will grind away at Mo. Mo won’t have anything left. Galen is smart. He won’t let Mo sit and kick.

He's never done that before. He's always just sat and waited. I seriously doubt that has changed.

Sand Dunes wrote:

Scorpion_runner wrote:

Do they do 6 marathons a year????

82 marathons on his legs and he is 31 now.....speed is not in his future. Father time has never lost

The main difference between Yuki and other elite marathon runners. Is instead of doing his 30-40 kilometres tempo runs at marathon pace in solitude, is that he does races instead. Also, Yuki does less mileage than they do. As he does only about 80-100 miles in singles; as opposed to 120-140 miles in doubles. So, Yuki probably has less total wear and tear then Mo and Galen does.

Running a marathon is still running a marathon, so I disagree. It's not like he is out there running at 6 -7 min pace. He is out there at a fast pace, racing. That puts a lot of stress on the body. He may not accumulate the same amount of training miles as that they do, but he is enduring some serious stress and impact as well. And as you age, your hormone production decreases, and so does the ability to stay health. This is why runners move up to the marathon in the first place, they become too old and slow for the track.

It will be interesting to see if he is still doing 6 marathons a year once he gets around the age of 33 and 34, where runners start to feel that first physical decline, and the body does not heal or recover as fast.

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Runnergrl wrote:

Nope it’s going to be a long grind to the end. Galen will grind away at Mo. Mo won’t have anything left. Galen is smart. He won’t let Mo sit and kick.

He's never done that before. He's always just sat and waited. I seriously doubt that has changed.

Rupp will do as he always has--sit on other runners and often clip their heels. That is what Salazar taught him. Salazar has a way of telling Rupp what to do during a race--not by hand singles, but by verbal commands.

He will have to if he wants to win.

GO YUKI!

Watching Yuki win boston inspired me to sign up for my 3rd marathon. I am running 60mpw for the first time in my life and I'm trying to get sub 3! THANK YOU YUKI-SAN!

GO YUKI!

Yuki will knock Rupp down, if Rupp clips heels. Yuki runs like Yuki, Rupp runs like the machine that he is, totally bypassing the advantage of the carbon fiber plate in his shoes. Everyone else figured that out, go figure.

Also, nobody here has realized that we're talking Chicago. There's a good chance it will be 85 degrees, not just 40, or 30 with 20 mph winds. Just saying.

Rupp has as much as chance at DNS or DNF as finishing.

Also, I picked Yuki to win this one several Chicago threads ago.

Yep, interesting race with those 2 Japanese entrants.

I SOOOOOOO hope that Kawauchi takes this one, but those guys are fast. Anything can happen.

For my money, Kawauchi IS the best marathoner. Rupp and Farah may be faster in good conditions, but Kawauchi is faster in bad conditions. Rupp and Farah may be faster when they are ready, but Kawauchi is faster when he is not ready. Rupp and Farah may be faster at certain times of the training cycle, but Kawauchi is faster throughout the training cycle.

Faster under some conditions does not equal better.

"Better" is the athlete who has contributed more to the sport--and for marathoning, for me it's Kawauchi. At the very least, he is better than anybody else entered in the Chicago thon.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

he is not built to go out a WR marathon pace.

Mr. Kawauchi went out at 2:01 pace at the 2018 Boston Marathon.

He went out so fast that Larry Rawson mentioned that around the 10k mark somebody was going to give him a piano to carry.