Fair or foul: NFL rejects ad from Veterans Group for Super Bowl asking players to stand

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

rojo wrote:

Ad looks pretty innoncent:

https://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.507970.1516657865!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_900/image.jpg

But then again the NFL's logic doesn't seem totally crazy either.

https://www.stripes.com/polopoly_fs/1.507970.1516657865!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_900/image.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-super-bowl-ad-rejected-20180123-story.html

The NFL and windbag Godell are hypocrites. On one hand they allow the players to make a "political" statement, but then say that the ad is not allowed because its too "political"? I personally won't be watching, and I'm from New England. Idiots! (Apologies to Napoleon Dynamite).

Hypocrites? Customer vs. employee. Do you think the NFL would run an ad from BLM that is telling people to kneel for the anthem?

bad messaging wrote:

Thank you for telling me what the national anthem and flag represent.

You and those in the military who are, in my opinion, misguidedly insulted by the actions of the protestors are telling everyone what the flag represents yourself. So don't be surprised when it's thrown right back in your face.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

I just don't get why they'd spend $30k on an ad about protests that have nothing to do with the military. Wouldn't they be better off using that money somewhere else where it directly benefits veterans?

$30K?

It's about $5 million for a Super Bowl commercial.

I know people are talking about AM Vets now, but if the add aired it would REALLY generate attention.

bad messaging wrote:

Regardless of the intent of the protesters, they chose a method of protest that communicates something entirely different and offensive to the large majority of military and veteran families and those with similar values. Those of us who are veterans have vocally communicated what the players' actions convey to us and how disrespectful of our service and our country those actions appear to be. The NFL players have totally ignored our responses and and continued to insult our service with their actions.

Except at the idea of kneeling during the anthem as a protest came from an armed forces veteran (a Green Beret who did multiple tours of Iraq and Afghanstan).

They did not intend to communicate negativity against the troops. Some people supporting the troops chose to see it that way.

It is the exact same thing as calling a person who has a Confederate flag racist.

The person with the flag doesn't necessarily intend to be seen as racist, but some people see as a racists gesture.

So this whole thing is really a dispute among veterans along with people who never served taking sides as well.

I was leaning toward watching the game even though I haven't watched a single game all season because of the protests. After this, no.

OLD SMTC SOB wrote:

The NFL and windbag Godell are hypocrites. On one hand they allow the players to make a "political" statement, but then say that the ad is not allowed because its too "political"? I personally won't be watching, and I'm from New England. Idiots! (Apologies to Napoleon Dynamite).

The NFL as an entity is hypocritical or, at the very least, brought this nonsense on to themselves when they elected to wrap themselves around the flag.....and for a price. They decided to make the anthem, the flag, military day, etc. part of their league and each of their games with all or some of those displays. Now they are faced with having those displays interloped upon by a relatively small number of players who, in my opinion, have accomplished nothing with their protests at least to any great degree. We're still talking about the protests and not the source of the protests.

This has led to the flag wavers of the country feeling "insulted" to one degree or another and blaming, stupidly, the NFL for not ordering the players to stand. We have a few of these in our office who keep crying about how they are being insulted yet cannot verbalize why they are being insulted. They are just 55+ white guys who feel the white man is being beat down for some who knows what reason. They all "stopped" watching the NFL and would brag about it every Monday. Somehow they could give us a virtual play by play of the previous day's game. By the end of the season they were all watching all of the time. Blowhards all of them....acting more in how they think they are supposed to act instead of thinking about the entirety of the situation.

I attended an NFL game shortly after our fearless idiot "leader" made a big deal out of the issue with two former Marine's. One is African American. The other half Vietnamese and half African American. A son of one of them also attended. They wore Marine garb. When the anthem began me and the one guy's son stood. The two Marine's remained seated. No one said a word to them.

Flaggy P wrote:

I attended an NFL game shortly after our fearless idiot "leader" made a big deal out of the issue with two former Marine's. One is African American. The other half Vietnamese and half African American. A son of one of them also attended. They wore Marine garb. When the anthem began me and the one guy's son stood. The two Marine's remained seated. No one said a word to them.

Marines in uniform would have stood. I don't buy your story. If by "garb" you're referring to t-shirts, then they sound like a couple of tools and you can bet your ass they would have stood if their CO had been around. I am a vet (Army), and while I think the players kneeling for the anthem are being disrespectful, at the end of the day I realize most of them aren't very bright and are just products of their environment. They're just sheep who do what their homeys do because they want to be cool. So, I still watch the games. However, my 70 year old dad, also a vet, has completely boycotted the NFL and his beloved Cowboys. He watches college football exclusively now. Judging by the NFL's declining ratings, I don't think he's alone.

I should add that our fearless idiot "leader" is making the economy BOOM. Even the economists all admit as much. Check your 401K, if you have one. Compare this leader with Barrack Hussein Obama who increased our national debt by 9 TRILLION DOLLARS in 8 years. Side note: Obama may soon be facing multiple felonies.

Flaggy P wrote:

bad messaging wrote:

Thank you for telling me what the national anthem and flag represent.

You and those in the military who are, in my opinion, misguidedly insulted by the actions of the protestors are telling everyone what the flag represents yourself. So don't be surprised when it's thrown right back in your face.

I understand that others don't see the protests as disrespectful to the military but to many of those that have served, been deployed, and/or fought in combat see it differently. To me, they are disrespecting EVERYTHING the flag stands for.

If that is not their intent, they should have found a different, better way to protest.

I would expect if you went to just about any country in the world and disrespected their flag on national TV the majority of the citizens would be upset. The protest should be tailored to the issue. Kap just wanted to make a statement on the biggest stage he could and in doing so spread a message he didn't intend.

I'm boycotting the NFL and watching the Puppy Bowl instead. Puppies would never take a knee or disrespect the flag of the United States of America.

#remembertospayandneuter

You're a rick wrote:

Marines in uniform would have stood. I don't buy your story. If by "garb" you're referring to t-shirts, then they sound like a couple of tools and you can bet your ass they would have stood if their CO had been around. I am a vet (Army), and while I think the players kneeling for the anthem are being disrespectful, at the end of the day I realize most of them aren't very bright and are just products of their environment. They're just sheep who do what their homeys do because they want to be cool. So, I still watch the games. However, my 70 year old dad, also a vet, has completely boycotted the NFL and his beloved Cowboys. He watches college football exclusively now. Judging by the NFL's declining ratings, I don't think he's alone.

So your dad is a yahoo. Good for him.

....and the story is true.

joho wrote:

I understand that others don't see the protests as disrespectful to the military but to many of those that have served, been deployed, and/or fought in combat see it differently. To me, they are disrespecting EVERYTHING the flag stands for.

If that is not their intent, they should have found a different, better way to protest.

I would expect if you went to just about any country in the world and disrespected their flag on national TV the majority of the citizens would be upset. The protest should be tailored to the issue. Kap just wanted to make a statement on the biggest stage he could and in doing so spread a message he didn't intend.

Oh boo hoo.

Star wrote:

Jonathan Gault wrote:

I just don't get why they'd spend $30k on an ad about protests that have nothing to do with the military. Wouldn't they be better off using that money somewhere else where it directly benefits veterans?

$30K?

It's about $5 million for a Super Bowl commercial.

I know people are talking about AM Vets now, but if the add aired it would REALLY generate attention.

Did you read the story? It would have been a print ad in the game program, not on the TV broadcast.

Flaggy P wrote:

You're a rick wrote:

...my 70 year old dad, also a vet, has completely boycotted the NFL and his beloved Cowboys. He watches college football exclusively now. Judging by the NFL's declining ratings, I don't think he's alone.

So your dad is a yahoo. Good for him.

....and the story is true.

There's the American left for you, folks.

Well now wrote:

Flaggy P wrote:

So your dad is a yahoo. Good for him.

....and the story is true.

There's the American left for you, folks.

It's not his fault his dad (likely yours) is a yahoo. He's old and cranky and needs a cloud to yell at.

Sorry, skimmed the content.

Saw something about it elsewhere, too.

Jonathan Gault wrote:

Did you read the story? It would have been a print ad in the game program, not on the TV broadcast.

Which all of the false butthurt yahoo's on LR.com can now read and stand per their own choices whether on game day or not.

We are told everyday that veterans are going without food, without medical care, some are homeless, some are sick, some have PTSD.

Instead of spending money on issues that directly affect veterans, they are spending money on creating more divisiveness.

This seems like a ploy by some right wing group that wants to engage in race baiting.

Police brutality is a real issue people !

And many veterans agree with the stance that NFL players have taken because nothing else has worked.

DiscoGary wrote:

I was leaning toward watching the game even though I haven't watched a single game all season because of the protests. After this, no.

A.) you were not leaning towards anything before this came up. Or you are easily manipulated.

B.) I am sure your decision will really hurt them

Sheep? I don't believe you know the number of players who are kneeling. Hint: it's a very small percentage. The mass kneeling weeks were done to directly protest the orange howler monkey's ( the best description I've seen for trump, although Cadet Bone Spurs is awesome) SOB description of the players. After those couple weeks, the number of protesters is back to the original amounts.