Agree the answer is a “maybe” in your best event. As one of many HS guys that ran 1:58-1:59 in the 800, I wonder what I would have run if given 6-8 more years of top level college and pro level coaching and periods of total dedication to the sport like most pros. Had a consistent improvement curve through HS so don’t feel like I had peaked. Sticking point is most, if not all, of these records are doped up to the gills, most notably the 800 time of 1:53.
This entire thread was a setup for Libertarian Vegan to post his 800 and 1000m times. What a loser.
No. Absolutely not.
Running a 4:12 mile, for example, is a significant accomplishment that is far beyond the capabilities of most men.
Libertarian vegan wrote:
Can any male with enough training in his athletic prime achieve the world record times for the woman? Assuming he's not too short or too tall and weighs around 60 kilograms give or take 15 kilograms.
From the 800m to marathon:
800m 1:53
1000m 2:28
1500m 3:50
Mile 4:12
2000m 5:23
3000m 8:06
5000m 14:11
10000m 29:17
3000m steeplechase 8:52
Half marathon 1:04:51
Marathon 2:15:25
Can any male with enough training achieve these times?
Funny how you backtracked...
Also you are a fool to think ANY man can even if he falls in your new parameters.
How about we list some men that actually run faster than the women's record in each of those events.
The steeple will make it tough.
Rupp has done it in every event except the steeplechase.
I don't think Gebrselassie posted an 800m time, nor Bekele. But maybe at some small meet.
Same with Kipchoge
You really have to look at 2:15 or better marathon runners that have an 800m time posted.
I bet Darrell General may have done it.
I'll check, but I believe Greg Meyer ran all of those times. My guess is that it's a pretty small group who has.
Star wrote: How about we list some men that actually run faster than the women's record in each of those events.
Mo Farah has beaten most, but not all of them. I have no recorded time for 1000m or 3000m SC but he did run 5:55.72 for 2000 SC. his other times are: 800m 1:48.69; 1500m 3:28.81; mile 3:56.49; 2000m 5:02.1; 3000m 7:32.62; 5000m 12:53.11; 10km 26:46.57; HMar 59:22; Mar 2:08.21
only 120 British men have beaten 2:15 for the marathon, and only 21 of those have happened this century.
Cheers.
HRE wrote:
Of course not. I don't even know what more there is to say. Just looking at the marathon and the half, we had well under 200 qualifiers for the marathon at the last OT and the standards were slower than the women's records. Do you really think that all the guys who came up short of qualifying weren't training enough?
Thank you.
Vegans give ignorance a bad name.
Link wrote:
I'll check, but I believe Greg Meyer ran all of those times. My guess is that it's a pretty small group who has.
Rod DeHaven has done all but the steeple and maybe even that.
Rod Dixon too.
I would be prepared to say that no British athlete has ever done this, and as Star suggested, it's the steeplechase that's the hard part, but the 1000m and 2000m are not run very often over here so it's hard to find guys who even have times for those races. In addition to Mo Farah I have one guy who is missing only the time for 1000m and a couple of other close contenders, one of whom is only 1 second out in the 10km.
David Lewis (no 1000m) - 800m 1:51.5; 1500m 3:39.0; Mile 3:55.96; 2000m 5:04.53; 3000m 7:42.47; 5000m 13:21.13; 10000m 28:08.44; 3000m SC 8:29.72; HMar 61:17; Mar 2:13.49
Paul Davies-Hale (no 1000m, 2000m) - 800m 1:52.0; 1500m 3:43.47; Mile 3:56.5; 3000m 7:44.76; 5000m 13:21.60; 10000m 28:24.46; 3000m SC 8:20.83; HMar 61:39; Mar 2:11:25
Andrew Lemoncello (no 1000m, 2000m) - 800m 1:55.2; 1500m 3:45.68; Mile 4:03.22; 3000m 8:00.09; 5000m 13:33.01; 10000m 27:57.23; 3000m SC 8:22.95; HMar 63:00; Mar 2:13:40
Scott Overall (no 2000m, 3000m SC) - 800m 1:52.08; 1000m 2:24.79; 1500m 3:41.90; Mile 3:58.61; 3000m 7:48.92; 5000m 13:28.33; 10000m 29:18.39 (close); HMar 61:25; Mar 2:10:55
Cheers.
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So, I've looked, but I can't find Meyer's times for 800 or 2000. He has all the others, though.
Another guy who almost certainly has hit those times if he's run a 2000 is Malmo. Perhaps he'll chime in.
How do you explain men who train who can't run a 1:53 in the 800
I say less than 10% of men, given enough time and training and coaching, can break one of those records. Less than 1% could break 4 or more.
HRE wrote:
Of course not. I don't even know what more there is to say. Just looking at the marathon and the half, we had well under 200 qualifiers for the marathon at the last OT and the standards were slower than the women's records. Do you really think that all the guys who came up short of qualifying weren't training enough?
^this. I don't think an average guy in his prime can be trained to run a five-minute mile never mind a 3:51 1500m. That's ridiculous.
2:09:20 1. 1. Galen RUPP 86 USA F 1. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1173
2:12:21 2. 2. Scott SMITH 86 USA F 8. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1120
2:12:35 3. 3. Scott FAUBLE 91 USA F 9. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1116
2:12:40 4. 4. Ryan VAIL 86 USA F 8. Berlin (GER) 24.09 1114
2:12:48 5. 5. Abdi ABDIRAHMAN 78 USA F 7. New York (USA) 05.11 1112
2:12:50 6. 6. Chris DERRICK 90 USA F 9. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1111
2:13:36 7. 7. Elkanah KIBET 86 USA F 7. Hamburg (GER) 23.04 1098
2:13:41 8. 8. Aaron BRAUN 87 USA F 12. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1097
2:13:42 9. 9. Matt LLANO 88 USA F 12. Frankfurt (GER) 29.10 1096
2:13:58 10. 10. Andrew BUMBALOUGH 87 USA F 25. Tokyo (JPN) 26.02 1092
2:14:00 11. 11. Jeffrey EGGLESTON 84 USA F 4. Warszawa (POL) 23.04 1091
2:14:57 12. 13. Shadrack KIPTOO BIWOTT 85 USA F 10. New York (USA) 05.11 1075
2:15:02 13. 14. Samuel CHELANGA 85 USA F 15. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1073
2:15:02 13. 14. Tyler PENNEL 87 USA F 20. Fukuoka (JPN) 03.12 1073
2:15:19 15. 17. Diego ESTRADA 89 USA F 16. Chicago (USA) 08.10 1068
Guys in the U.S. in 2017 that could beat Radcliffe`s marathon record.
John Utah wrote:
How do you explain men who train who can't run a 1:53 in the 800
The same way you explain any other distances and time.
Libertarian vegan wrote:
Can any male with enough training in his athletic prime achieve the world record times for the woman? Assuming he's not too short or too tall and weighs around 60 kilograms give or take 15 kilograms.
From the 800m to marathon:
800m 1:53
1000m 2:28
1500m 3:50
Mile 4:12
2000m 5:23
3000m 8:06
5000m 14:11
10000m 29:17
3000m steeplechase 8:52
Half marathon 1:04:51
Marathon 2:15:25
Can any male with enough training achieve these times?
No freakin' way...not even remotely close.
Example wrote:
I can do the 800 and the 1000. But ABSOLUTELY NOT the marathon.
Women, as a group, will have a bigger range than an individual male. But I so think that every male should be capable of training to the women's record in their best event.
You are assuming that all conditions are perfect for the individual male. If one has shoddy coaching, competed in the 1970s, and etc., those records are out of reach for all but the very best men.
Modern athletes have many advantages that the pioneers of the sport did not have and many of those events were set well after the 1970s.
Your statement and the OPs original statement (although I respect him a great deal) are not fair to anyone who ran before 1980!!!