Moen's long repeats in prep for Fukuoka

800 dude wrote:

One thing to keep in mind about these paces is that the length of the recovery doesn't matter that much when you're running slower than lactate threshold. You aren't building up a lot of waste products that need to be flushed during recovery intervals. The main stress of this training is the fuel depletion and the mechanical fatigue on your legs. So the main concern is just getting in the total volume of pace work.

Another advantage of breaking up your pace work instead of doing it all in one shot is that you get more practice locking in your pace. It's much easier to lock it in once and sit there than it is to repeatedly change pace and get back to where you want to be. I find that the more I do that, the more MP starts to feel like muscle memory.

If you had seen the video on page 1, you would see that Canova's runners do actually exceed the lactate threshold.

If one compare with Eliud Kipchoge and Geoffrey Kamworor`s workout just before the 2 hour attempt, 15 x 2000m at 5.40 with just 200 m jog , one can see that there is no need for long (1000m) recovery runs between the fast runs.

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

If one compare with Eliud Kipchoge and Geoffrey Kamworor`s workout just before the 2 hour attempt, 15 x 2000m at 5.40 with just 200 m jog , one can see that there is no need for long (1000m) recovery runs between the fast runs.

but 5.40 is a jog for Eliud

I haven’t seen his pre-2hr-attempt Training, only his pre-Berlin stuff. Do you have a link to the training where he did his 15x2000 in 5:40?

For Renato:

I know you don't coach Eliud Kipchoge, but I am sure you are familiar with his training. Is it true that he does not do the marathon-specific workouts (that you like) with long repeats and faster recovery than jogging?

If he does not do that training, do you you think he could be even better if he did do that training? Or is he already so strong in lactate clearance and fatty acid utilization at marathon pace that he does not need that type of training?

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

dwiyna wrote:

If you had seen the video on page 1, you would see that Canova's runners do actually exceed the lactate threshold.

If one compare with Eliud Kipchoge and Geoffrey Kamworor`s workout just before the 2 hour attempt, 15 x 2000m at 5.40 with just 200 m jog , one can see that there is no need for long (1000m) recovery runs between the fast runs.

Just because he doesn't do it, doesn't mean "there is no need" for it. Once again, this demonstrates that you have no idea about running and coaching at a high level

dwiyna wrote:

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

If one compare with Eliud Kipchoge and Geoffrey Kamworor`s workout just before the 2 hour attempt, 15 x 2000m at 5.40 with just 200 m jog , one can see that there is no need for long (1000m) recovery runs between the fast runs.

Just because he doesn't do it, doesn't mean "there is no need" for it. Once again, this demonstrates that you have no idea about running and coaching at a high level

Just because he doesn`t do it , it means there is no need for it. He is the worlds greatest marathoner for some years.

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

dwiyna wrote:

Just because he doesn't do it, doesn't mean "there is no need" for it. Once again, this demonstrates that you have no idea about running and coaching at a high level

Just because he doesn`t do it , it means there is no need for it. He is the worlds greatest marathoner for some years.

Yes, but everyone is different. This is something you can't account for though. If Renato states that he believes that it is important for his marathoners, then it probably is, regardless of what Kipchoge does.

Jorgen' wrote:

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

If one compare with Eliud Kipchoge and Geoffrey Kamworor`s workout just before the 2 hour attempt, 15 x 2000m at 5.40 with just 200 m jog , one can see that there is no need for long (1000m) recovery runs between the fast runs.

but 5.40 is a jog for Eliud

Haha! No way up at 2000m altitude and doing 15 of them! There was around 20 very good runners started the session .....only Kamworor could follow Kipchoge all 15 reps.

Disciple wrote:

I haven’t seen his pre-2hr-attempt Training, only his pre-Berlin stuff. Do you have a link to the training where he did his 15x2000 in 5:40?

There is no link. "Secret" training. I have my resources... ;)