lk wrote:
I run midfoot. I'm a bit biased as I was part of the NIKE 4% elite wear-testing and they spent millions researching proper drop for pinnacle performance over 2hrs of running and due to micro-tears and testing, 8-10mm was best. Anything lower was too stressful for optimal performance at high speeds.
+1
theJeff wrote:
Bumping this. Any other TPU shoes out there that you know of?
Apparently, the Nike 4% and the Reebok Floatride Run are each made of something lighter than TPU, but with the same energy return. Marketing? Maybe.
The forthcoming Altra Vanish has a TPU/Carbon plate in a 3.9oz (THREE POINT NINE OUNCE) racing flat. Color me excited.
I CANNOT WAIT for the Vanish. 3.9 oz. Awesome.
Have you heard of the Solstice by Altra?
Speaking of TPU, I don’t see a reason to go beyond the Escalante. Fits my foot like a glove, and it’s flexible, zero drop, perfect toe box, and fairly light. Best shoe that I ever purchased. Worth every penny.
Although the Topo ST-2, while not TPU, is becoming one of my favorites as well.
laufen wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Bumping this. Any other TPU shoes out there that you know of?
Apparently, the Nike 4% and the Reebok Floatride Run are each made of something lighter than TPU, but with the same energy return. Marketing? Maybe.
The forthcoming Altra Vanish has a TPU/Carbon plate in a 3.9oz (THREE POINT NINE OUNCE) racing flat. Color me excited.
I CANNOT WAIT for the Vanish. 3.9 oz. Awesome.
Have you heard of the Solstice by Altra?
Speaking of TPU, I don’t see a reason to go beyond the Escalante. Fits my foot like a glove, and it’s flexible, zero drop, perfect toe box, and fairly light. Best shoe that I ever purchased. Worth every penny.
Although the Topo ST-2, while not TPU, is becoming one of my favorites as well.
I love the Escalante. My only problem is that with the full-knit upper, it is hard to get a really secure fit when doing faster runs. I suggested to Altra that they make a version of the Esc with very light overlays in the midfoot (keeping the toebox full knit).
I also like the ST-2. I think the ST-2 with a TPU midsole or the Escalante with the ST-2's overlays would be just about the perfect shoe.
I have renewed interest in this thread as I ran in the Adidas Sequence Boost for years and am unhappy with the switch to the Supernova ST as a replacement because the heel counter is now soft in the middle rather than uniformly hard. Whenever I go tempo pace or faster, I feel like I am going to run out of the shoe. I have been loading up on old versions of the Sequence on Amazon, but there are fewer and fewer pairs available these days, so that window is closing.
SSA, I recently came across the Adidas Vengeful. which got pretty bad reviews online, but which has been a pretty good shoe for me, at least of the 35 miles or so that I have run in it. It is sold as a neutral shoe, but does a fair job as a stability shoe, is pretty light, and fits my flat feet pretty well. Also, I understand that Brooks has a new midsole product out, but they won't be producing the stability shoe that will utilize it for a few months still. My friend who owns our local running store is convinced it will be the best lighter weight stability shoe out there. thejeff, none of this will help you as all of these products have conventional 10mm drops (which I prefer over lower drop trainers).
Smoove wrote:
I have renewed interest in this thread as I ran in the Adidas Sequence Boost for years and am unhappy with the switch to the Supernova ST as a replacement because the heel counter is now soft in the middle rather than uniformly hard. Whenever I go tempo pace or faster, I feel like I am going to run out of the shoe. I have been loading up on old versions of the Sequence on Amazon, but there are fewer and fewer pairs available these days, so that window is closing.
SSA, I recently came across the Adidas Vengeful. which got pretty bad reviews online, but which has been a pretty good shoe for me, at least of the 35 miles or so that I have run in it. It is sold as a neutral shoe, but does a fair job as a stability shoe, is pretty light, and fits my flat feet pretty well. Also, I understand that Brooks has a new midsole product out, but they won't be producing the stability shoe that will utilize it for a few months still. My friend who owns our local running store is convinced it will be the best lighter weight stability shoe out there. thejeff, none of this will help you as all of these products have conventional 10mm drops (which I prefer over lower drop trainers).
Smoove, have you seen the Saucony Liberty? Full TPU, light-moderate stability counterpart to the Freedom, and expensive as hell, lol.
Bump.
Altra Escalante Racer (Summer 2018)
Altra Paradigm 4
What else is planned to hit the market?
This fall you can expect more Brooks product with their DNA AMP midsole.
Levitate 2 gets a nice upper upgrade
Ricochet will be a $120 bouncy ride with a segment of AMP
Bedlam will be a $150 more supportive of the Levitate
Skechy situation wrote:
Skechers has their stuff too. It's really good.
I doubt if EVA features prominently in any of the newer offerings from any company.
Skechers has TPU midsoles in this shoes? What models?
theJeff wrote:
Bump.
Altra Escalante Racer (Summer 2018)
Altra Paradigm 4
What else is planned to hit the market?
I love the Escalantes, but the Escalante Racers sound even better. Long wait still though.
Getting a pair of the new Solstice next week - really excited to see how they feel.
And super, super excited for the Vanish!
But the best road shoe Altra have ever made was the One 2.5 - apparently there will be something similar (under a different model name) coming out end of this year or Q1 2019. Keeping my last 2 pairs for races until then.
Hey Jeff, I recently got the Ultra Boost St very comfortable, then I weighed them. 345 grams (12.5 oz) really heavy. The Supernova Boost M look interesting.
Pantman wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Bump.
Altra Escalante Racer (Summer 2018)
Altra Paradigm 4
What else is planned to hit the market?
I love the Escalantes, but the Escalante Racers sound even better. Long wait still though.
Getting a pair of the new Solstice next week - really excited to see how they feel.
And super, super excited for the Vanish!
But the best road shoe Altra have ever made was the One 2.5 - apparently there will be something similar (under a different model name) coming out end of this year or Q1 2019. Keeping my last 2 pairs for races until then.
Interested to hear what you like about the One 2.5 over the Escalante :-)
Puma Ignite
I’ve been running in boosts for couple of years with mainly liking ultra boosts and adios boosts. But recently, I’ve switched to running in Nike Zoom elites and Pegasus. Overall, I’ve been liking the nikes better as they have better ride for me and I feel smoother. Ive got Zoom fly and vapor fly 4% and waiting to try them but weather’s been crappy and don’t want to get them soaked after my first run. Lol.
Anyways, I was all about boosts and I do believe it’s the best technology upgrade since nike’s Zoom air. I thought I needed to have boosts, and nothing will ever beat it, but Nike has proved me wrong. I can’t wait to try the 4% and see how they will be. I’m sure with trickle down effect from 4%, Pegasus and Zoom elite in the future will even be better.
theJeff wrote:
Interested to hear what you like about the One 2.5 over the Escalante :-)
The 2.5 feels more stable to me. Only 1mm stack height difference, but is more to do with the wider base of the sole.
I like the soft feel of the Escalante, but it always has a sense of instability about it too - in comparison to the 2.5 anyway.
No doubt the upper adds to this and I imagine the upcoming Escalante Racer will be a great improvement in that regard.
The One 2.5 is my all time favourite shoe though - I could wear those and nothing else in training and racing forever more and be 100% happy.
Pantman wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Interested to hear what you like about the One 2.5 over the Escalante :-)
The 2.5 feels more stable to me. Only 1mm stack height difference, but is more to do with the wider base of the sole.
I like the soft feel of the Escalante, but it always has a sense of instability about it too - in comparison to the 2.5 anyway.
No doubt the upper adds to this and I imagine the upcoming Escalante Racer will be a great improvement in that regard.
The One 2.5 is my all time favourite shoe though - I could wear those and nothing else in training and racing forever more and be 100% happy.
Cool, thanks.
They are on closeout on RW right now; go stock up!! :-)
theJeff wrote:
Pantman wrote:
The 2.5 feels more stable to me. Only 1mm stack height difference, but is more to do with the wider base of the sole.
I like the soft feel of the Escalante, but it always has a sense of instability about it too - in comparison to the 2.5 anyway.
No doubt the upper adds to this and I imagine the upcoming Escalante Racer will be a great improvement in that regard.
The One 2.5 is my all time favourite shoe though - I could wear those and nothing else in training and racing forever more and be 100% happy.
Cool, thanks.
They are on closeout on RW right now; go stock up!! :-)
RW? Runners World? Do they sell shoes?
Pantman wrote:
theJeff wrote:
Cool, thanks.
They are on closeout on RW right now; go stock up!! :-)
RW? Runners World? Do they sell shoes?
Ah! Running Warehouse! Just got another pair - thanks for the heads up!
Pantman wrote:
Pantman wrote:
RW? Runners World? Do they sell shoes?
Ah! Running Warehouse! Just got another pair - thanks for the heads up!
Lol ???? good!
FYI, I recently got a great deal on some Saucony Freedoms. They feel great, but they felt too way too narrow around the widest part of my forefoot and a little too squishy.
Reminded of a trick I have used before by another recent thread here, I removed the insole. The shoes instantly fit about a half size wider, and the TPU midsole is still plenty comfortable. These may hold me over until the ERacers come out this summer :-)
PUMA has carried the NRG line of shoes with the same TPU ball soles as the Adidas Boost for a few years now.
Here is a news story summarizing the legal fight between PUMA and Adidas over the technology: