The official 2017 HEPS CROSS COUNTRY thread

Columbia hosted Cornell and Brown today https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/12274.html

I was at VCP today and both races (but maybe the men's even more so?) had very "controlled" paces in the early going. The times were nothing special (no one under 21:45 in the women's race? or 26:45 in the men's??) as a result.

Also, the Back Hills loop was very overgrown/narrow in places, and the Cowpath (when the guys came through in one big bunch in the first mile) was also too narrow. Presumably the fields will not have such slow starts at Heps--though the men's field, at least, is traditionally very bunched when it hits the Cowpath, regardless of the opening pace.

I'd recommend cutting back the foliage some, but I don't even know whose job that would be...

Removed the seniors from last year's Heps, and these are what the results would be.

Top 14:

1 Paulson, William JR-3 Princeton

2 Lundy, Conor FR-1 Princeton

3 Luciano, Christopher JR-3 Penn

4 Vasbinder, Kenny FR-1 Columbia

5 Hally, Patrick JR-3 Penn

6 Zabilski, Brian SO-2 Columbia

7 Deokar, Viraj FR-1 Princeton

8 Reinhart, Trevor SO-2 Yale

9 Tuntivate, Kieran SO-2 Harvard

10 DeLuca, Dominic JR-3 Cornell

11 Daly, Cameron FR-1 Brown

12 Monogue, Kevin SO-2 Penn

13 Haik, Spencer JR-3 Columbia

14 Kauppila, Noah JR-3 Princeton

Overall Scores:

princeton 1+2+7+14+22 = 46

columbia 4+6+13+19+27 = 69

penn 3+5+12+23+29 = 72

brown 11+16+15+20+34 = 96

yale 8+17+21+33+37 = 116

cornell 10+18+24+38+45 = 135

dartmouth 25+28+32+41+42 = 168

harvard 9+39+44+48+53 = 193

Obviously things change with freshman, injuries, and improvements but it's always interesting to speculate based on previous results.

Frances Schmiede of Yale to Virginia

Meets this weekend:

Harvard-Yale-Princeton at Yale (Yale's opener)

Iona Meet of Champions (Columbia)

Main Line Invite (Penn)

I think there will be a number of rookie debuts at HYP, but I don't expect the heavy hitters quite yet. I think we will see more of them in the 9/22 weekend with the Battle of Beantown and UVA Panorama Farms meets, as those tend to bring out the more national-potential squads.

Rumor has it that Tuntivate is taking the semester off at Harvard?

Anyone confirm?

juddy96 wrote:

Columbia hosted Cornell and Brown today

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/12274.html

Word is that Columbia kept their top 8-10 men out of that meet, to prepare for Iona (etc.).

cool story bro

USTFCCCA XC Regional Rankings

Men's Northeast

3 Columbia

5 Cornell

6 Brown

8 Dartmouth

10 Yale

NR Harvard

Men's Mid-Atlantic

3 Princeton

4 Penn

Women's Northeast

2 Harvard

3 Yale

5 Columbia

6 Cornell

7 Brown

9 Dartmouth

Women's Mid-Atlantic

6 Penn

7 Princeton

Also, current names listed on TFRRS as RS/Una

Yale: Zach Capello, Schan Lartigue, Dylan Lesko, Peter Ryan, Cameron Stanish, Kohl Swift

Columbia: Paris Calcagnini, Tal Braude, Ajax Diamandis, Solomon Rice, Charlie Theiss, Jake Tuckerman

Brown: Dylan Groos

Thoughts on the recent regional rankings. Harvard W dropped like a rock. Looks like a lot of runners did not compete - still hurt? HYP did not look all thought impressive for any of the women's teams imho.

The harvard women were pretty beat up when PWD got fired, not sure if any of them will fully rebound, typical of PWD if you look at his history.

It's weird that the women ran a 4km. The men ran 6km.

As for the Harvard women:

- half of their HYP scorers were freshmen

- their #1 (Shwayder) was a Second-Team All-Ivy at HepsXC last year (12th overall)

- other HepsXC scorers (Dietz, Tertsch) are listed on TFRRS roster but have yet to race this year. Now last year, they didn't debut until October at the Wisco XC Invite (it should be noted that Tertsch competed in the World Jr Triathlon Champ last year, where she finished 2nd. She didn't compete it in this year).

- in recent years, Saretsky has not yielded "high strength teams" at any of the HYP editions (including track seasons) as he would then have them go "all-out" come Heps championships and then dominate the competition. I'm guessing a similar

I'm still curious is Megan Curham will race this fall or not for Princeton (she's listed on TFRRS for this season, but then again, she was last year as well even though she was injured).

Breaking news.

Princeton has forfeited the HYP meet.

https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/12537.html

What has the sport come to? People are afraid to race before October. I get it but it's sad.

Imagine if college football teams only played in November.

traditionalist wrote:

Breaking news.

Princeton has forfeited the HYP meet.

Not really - the Princeton men have been in/out with this tri-meet in both the XC and indoor track seasons. Sure, Princeton has been involved with it the last few years, but there was a 17 year stretch where it wasn't a tri-meet at all. It only resumed being a tri-meet back in 2014.

Apparently, Princeton was at the Iona Meet of Champions instead where they finished 6th. Second weekend in a row where they raced at VCP as they were at the Fordham Fiasco the weekend before.

Princeton shows up when they know they'll win.

They don't when it's close.

It's really quite embarrassing as an outsider.

Perhaps. We won't know, now will we?

In other news, Columbia men jump up in the national rankings into a tie for 27th (previously #30) while Yale women are now in a tie for 29th (previously receiving votes last week but were ranked 29th in the pre-season). Harvard women are now only receiving votes, while Princeton women are receiving votes for the first time this season.

ivy ponderer wrote:

Princeton shows up when they know they'll win.

They don't when it's close.

It's really quite embarrassing as an outsider.

Why are people picking on my alma mater? Why not pick on the team I coached at for 10 years? Ivy Leaguers are so freaking insecure.

Cornell raced at VCP this year as well. I heard the 3 mile split was something close to 18 minutes. At the same meet, which included Columbia and Cornell, Columbia held out their top 9 projected men.

So let's don't act like Princeton invented the concept of blowing off meets in September.

Without even thinking about it, I've got half the league blowing off a meet (Harvard women in track against Yale, Princeton skipping HYP, Cornell and Columbia at VCP this year). It's just the guy who is envious of Princeton that wants to harp on them that bothers me.

So let's don't act like Princeton invented the concept of blowing off meets in September.

No one is picking on your alma mater. There's no way you graduated from Princeton.