Congrats! Caster Semenya ran 1:21.77 to break 600 m WR held by 1:22.63 Ana Guevara (Mexico) set in 1997

You're a tool, chilhowee. Do you know how many clean, hard-working runners go through their ENTIRE careers without a blip on the radar, without ever having a "false" positive or being warned by your Federation to stop your doping behavior? Ajee messed up. She ruined her reputation and rightfully so. She is a doper in my book and in the book of USATF/WADA for issuing her a Warning.

bloviating wrote:

This is something that has bothered me for some time. Semenya gets killed on a site like this, yet Mutola, Quirot and Guevara were 800 runners who were very masculine. Leave Caster alone or focus on the sprinters and jumpers as well as far as calling for testing.

Ana Quirot looked nothing like a man! I ran in the same meet as her at UC Irvine. You have bizarre tastes!

I don't consider it a woman's records and never will. He may have technically got it, but he is not really a woman. Again...this is destroying woman's track. Create a new category for these athletes or force them to compete as men. It makes me sick to read or watch. You can reply all you want telling me I am a sub-standard person for voicing what so many are probably thinking. Caster should never be allowed to compete with real women nor should he be allowed to set a woman's record. The sick and disgusting thing is that he is likely to get sponsors because people fhave always been interested to see a freak show. That is why the circus becAmex so famous.

Yeah right wrote:

I don't consider it a woman's records and never will. He may have technically got it, but he is not really a woman. Again...this is destroying woman's track. Create a new category for these athletes or force them to compete as men. It makes me sick to read or watch. You can reply all you want telling me I am a sub-standard person for voicing what so many are probably thinking. Caster should never be allowed to compete with real women nor should he be allowed to set a woman's record. The sick and disgusting thing is that he is likely to get sponsors because people fhave always been interested to see a freak show. That is why the circus becAmex so famous.

There are many like you, including me.

watched the race, ajee looked really good and made me think....

she was given the go ahead to juice but only if she tried to compete with caster. i think this is whats going on. they want caster to break the 800 WR but the need ajee to break it as well (kinda like this race). then they will revise their ruling on caster, and ajee will have the new WR. i totally feel like this is whats going on. caster is a hermaphrodite and is in a pickle, go back to SA and be broke or make money and do exactly as the IAAF tells you to do. she (and yes i will call her a she since she was born with a vagina, bruce jenner...no he will never be a she) is being a perfect rabbit for ajee. caster gets out and can run pretty f*cking perfect splits, and ever since monaco ajee has been staying closer and closer to caster.

there it is, my theory is that IAAF told caster she has to be the rabbit for ajee or they will make her take meds or ban her from running....well money always talks

She can probably beat up most scrawny runners here on LR.

chilhowee wrote:

USADA expects American athletes to avoid all contact with zeranol, even though it's nearly unavoidable in the American food system.

US ranchers inject it into cattle, it's in almost all meat produced in the US. Ajee probably eats organic most of the time, but should she be punished for inadvertently consuming what every other American eats?

that argument is weak. what if all north koreans would eat testo for breakfast as part of the Freedom Frosties developed by Beloved Leader Kim? should we then allow testo for North Koreans?

just because Americans eat all kind of crap shouldn't be an excuse.

chilhowee wrote:

US ranchers inject it into cattle, it's in almost all meat produced in the US. Ajee probably eats organic most of the time, but should she be punished for inadvertently consuming what every other American eats?

Nonsense. If that were true, most of our athletes would have tested positive for it.

Women's track must be destroyed in order to allow the new world order of inclusion and equality.

Yeah right wrote:

I don't consider it a woman's records and never will. He may have technically got it, but he is not really a woman. Again...this is destroying woman's track. Create a new category for these athletes or force them to compete as men. It makes me sick to read or watch. You can reply all you want telling me I am a sub-standard person for voicing what so many are probably thinking. Caster should never be allowed to compete with real women nor should he be allowed to set a woman's record. The sick and disgusting thing is that he is likely to get sponsors because people fhave always been interested to see a freak show. That is why the circus becAmex so famous.

Lame dope excuse wrote:

chilhowee wrote:

US ranchers inject it into cattle, it's in almost all meat produced in the US. Ajee probably eats organic most of the time, but should she be punished for inadvertently consuming what every other American eats?

Nonsense. If that were true, most of our athletes would have tested positive for it.

Most 'full time' professional athletes don't eat fast food unless it comes from the few restaurants like Panera Bread which serves only organic meats. Ajee was a full time student and like most students, she would occasionally eat from the vendor trucks and fast food restaurants near Temple's campus. She kind of knew she should not be eating at those places, but like anyone with a hectic schedule she would cheat from time to time. She was behaving like a student with a hectic schedule and just catching a bit to eat when and wherever. (That was her mistake.) It is unfortunate that she has a ban on her record, but the rules state "an athlete is responsible for what goes into their bodies". She was found to only have trace amounts of dope in her system, well below performance enhancing.

A few things: Choosing to take Zeranol -or sometimes called Ralgro as a PED would be like trying to get drunk off of Bud Light; there are much better options. Zeranol/Ralgro in human acts as an anabolic estrogen. From what I have studied, if would not be beneficial at all for an 800m runner. It causes bulk weight, the type that would only be desirable to powerlifter or offensive linemen. Even body builders question it's usefulness. I will add, it has to be taken in large quantities to have any effect. The specific compound she tested positive for and the amount was consistent with contaminated beef as opposed to direct application of the drug itself.

It is important note that Ajee tested negative weeks prior to the 2016 Olympics Games, it was a week after the games when she tested positive. Athletes dope prior to championships, not afterwards. Also, the 2016 Olympics was one of her worst races, obviously the drugs didn't help her. USAFT did not initially inform her of the positive, they allowed her to continue competing and continued testing her and all of her test were negative. Not surprising, because that spring she finished school and was no longer eating at the campus vendor trucks and Board Street fast food joints.

On a personal note, track and field is not life or death win at all cause to her, she barely follows the sport. She finished school in 4 years while competing as a world class athlete; over the last 4 years, she gave as much attention to school as she did running. Obviously she trains hard, competes hard is well aware that running is her job, but she in not your typical one dimensional athlete who wants their life's legacy to be medals and records and is willing to cheat their way to success.

At Altitude

All-Time Top-10(http://www.alltime-athletics.com/w_600ok.htm)

(+-en route to 800-meters)

1 1:22.63A Ana Fidelia Quirot CUB 23.03.63

mindweak, you certaily do live up to everything your lofty name implies.

you are an absolute moran.

Uh... what?

Johnny Gray still has the WR, 1:12.81. Semenya is way off.

Long response, but you didn"t exactly stick to the facts:

http://deadspin.com/the-curious-case-of-ajee-wilsons-positive-drug-test-1796269659

afitna wrote:

Women's track must be destroyed in order to allow the new world order of inclusion and equality.[quote]Yeah right wrote:

^this

I read the Deadspin story and what's "curious" is the author's acceptance of industry PR to sow suspicion in a story that abruptly ends after 16 paragraphs, when all innuendo has been hyped and exhausted:

"In pellet form, zeranol is implanted in the outer ear of beef cattle to make them gain weight faster, which is good for the producer who is paid by the pound. According to Canadian Cattlemen, over the 120 to 200 days between implant and the time the cow becomes a steak, “the implants and their growth-promoting effects are depleted” so there is almost no zeranol residue in the meat..."

So if the purpose of zeranol is to make more money by growing larger cattle, is it hard to imagine a situation in which industry practices aren't followed, a scenario where animals are dosed at a time closer to their arrival at the slaughterhouse, which results in beef (or oxtails in this instance) with elevated zeranol? It's an easily imaginable situation. Who regulates the industry? Canadian Cattlemen? Congress? Trump's USDA thru "random and targeted sampling?" Ha-ha.

The CAS lets Semenya compete with elevated testosterone and debase the women's 800. They ignore abundant proof of Semenya's increased performance, the effortless wins that started after their ruling. Their excuse, their pro-trans-intersex rationale, is there's no proof that testosterone improves performance. The USADA & WADA, on the other hand, punish Wilson (who has already been robbed by Semenya and the CAS) for a test that shows traces of zeranol. Because of, they say, "a PRESUMED anabolic effect in humans."

So Semenya is freed to sandbag and scarf up Diamond League money due to a supposed absence of evidence, while Wilson is punished due to a presumption. It's a screamingly hypocritical situation. Adding to it are random internet ids like ex-thrower and KLJV, who heap proof-free scorn on Wilson. So KLJV... if Wilson is a doper, when did she start? Back in the 9th grade when she ran a 2:04? Has she ever failed a drug-test before? A week before the test that turned up traces of zeranol, Wilson was drug tested. Did she fail that test? Has her hotel ever been raided by the authorities to find needles and EPO? No, No, No and No. But anonymous and fact-free character assassination is what makes the internet great, am I right KLJV?...You clown.

First of all, let's be crystal clear about trackcoach's failed propaganda argument:

This is 100% wrong. She tested positive in February 2017 on the day she ran an American Record. The drugs didn't help her?

The second argument that the two of you are making is that zeranol contamination is so very common here:

This is also not supported by the evidence, as there aren't exactly hundreds of positive tests for zeronal in America. As a matter of fact, zero come to mind.

Also laughable. They should have banned her for two years, yet she only lost one race. Ludicrous punishment!

Is there a third argument? Oh yeah, you think zeranol shouldn't be on the banned list, and TrackCoach thinks there are better PEDs? Take it to WADA, along with rekrunner and JO who think that EPO is not a PED.

What now? Proven doper Wilson is also free to earn Diamond League money, but USADA officially presumed that she doped inadvertently, while Semenya isn't even suspected of doping. Are you playing opposite day? What are you complaining about?

See also

exthrower wrote:

And Ajee is a druggie...Was found to have steroids in her system....

False.

Hey Mr. "obsever"... you're neither casual nor causal.

you say:

"[Wilson] tested positive in February 2017 on the day she ran an American Record. The drugs didn't help her?"

But the Deadspin story reported that Wilson was tested the week before her American 600 meter record and the result was negative.

I said that zeranol is an unavoidable component of the American food system, and you said:

"this is not supported by the evidence, as there aren't exactly hundreds of positive tests for zeronal in America. As a matter of fact, zero come to mind."

But in recent years, Mr. causal obsever...there have been many break downs in government oversight of the American food system, which have resulted numerous fatalities...

In 2003, 640 people in the United States contracted Hepatitus A from a shipment of contaminated green onions. 4 people died. In 2006, 205 people in the United States contracted E.coli poisoning from spinach grown in California, 3 people died...In 2015, 300 people in the states of California, Arizona, and Texas were infected with store-bought salmonella poisoning...3 individuals died.

Death...Mr. causal obsever...the obliteration of consciousness for numerous innocent individuals...tends to shoot holes in accounts of government oversight.

When you consider that the USDA uses a " random and targeted" approach to monitor zeranol levels, and when you consider that Trump's morbidly obese, unqualified, and homophobic pick to head the USDA, Sam Clovis, has no empirical background or experience to head the agency that would have overseen these issues, things become even less certain.

ultimately, you slander Wilson as a "proven doper," and in doing so, you put forth this version of events:

Wilson, a prodigy and world junior champion, who's been tested many, many times, and who's raced hard for years and displays a standard progression of incrementally dropping PR's, at some point last winter decided to dope...

she dosed herself with some heretofore unknown combination of drugs...because zeranol in and of itself is not a known or verified performance enhancer. It is PRESUMED to be an anabolic steroid, but by the logic of the CAS, even that is inadmissible.

your accusation boils down to this...

In the week Wilson decided to dope, she was caught, exposed, and revealed...and how probable is that...and logically, why would she do that that during a week she knew she would be tested? But nevermind reason--mr.causal obsever...what happened then was that the USATF let her off, right? and then later, when she set American records for the 800 and 600 and was drug-tested with no issues, there was some residual effect from that one illicit week of doping, that lingered and gave her strength, and yada, yada, yada!

In short, you're a nut-job.

your attack on Wilson reveals only irrational animosity, which is par-for-the-course on these boards...

I defend Wilson because of her great personal dignity. I don't know her, but I've seen her answer endlessly stupid questions after races, and I've seen her hammer the homestretch of many races, including last weekend, when she finally beat Niyonsaba (who may be intersex, also.) Your insistence on a delusional alternate reality is total LRC...it's faceless, anonymous, bile. You have your motive, your agenda, be it inexplicable animosity or the trans-intersex attack on fair sport for legitimate female athletes. Whatever...