Because 1:49.8 is not even in the top 200 times in the world, let alone challenge for an olympic win. And no, 15 year olds don't compete highly in world swimming either. Do you follow the sport?
Because 1:49.8 is not even in the top 200 times in the world, let alone challenge for an olympic win. And no, 15 year olds don't compete highly in world swimming either. Do you follow the sport?
titan wrote:
Because 1:49.8 is not even in the top 200 times in the world, let alone challenge for an olympic win. And no, 15 year olds don't compete highly in world swimming either. Do you follow the sport?
Yes they do. It'd be just as irrelevant to mention the age of Chinese gymnast medalists.
This kid is now entering Jakob Ingebritsen territory
800wtf wrote:
Hey man, I'm not usually a grammar nazi but your mistakes in this make it confusing. "Penulimate" means "second to last." So you saying that the "3rd 200 is where you gather yourself for the penultimate 200 which is usually the fastest" doesn't make much sense. The 3rd 200 is the penultimate 200. And if you meant to say that the last 200 is usually the fastest I would have to heavily disagree. The last 200 of the 800 should almost always be the slowest if you are going for time. By far most time trial/record attemps happen as follows; out fast the first 200, relax just a tiny bit the 2nd 200, crush the 3rd 200 and hang on for dear life the final 200.
Other than dying a little bit the last 50, as you say, Brandon ran a very typical record-attempt type race.
Wow, that's amazing, I always thought penultimate means next to last. Btw, I was not discussing his race to be critical of this kid and I agree with you the race was run like a typical record attempt. How is the heck can I be critical of a 15yo who ran as fast I did as a college freshman. With that said, he probably could have run faster against experienced senior level athletes.
It looks like he ran 25-high, 27-high (53.4), 26-mid (1:19 high), 29-high.
I think he intentionally accelerated the third 200, as he has stated in previous interviews that taking that risk (accelerating the third 200) is what enabled him to achieve the 1:51.2 record for 14 year olds last year.
I think he can probably go 1:48 right now running a more even 26.5, 27.0, 27.5, 27.5. But he's only 15; we can't expect perfection.
I hope he takes a week off, takes XC seriously, and works a little on his endurance over the winter, rather than play basketball. With his 400 speed and comparatively weak 1500/1600 times, a little more strength and endurance work could result in a 1:47 as a soph (and eventually 1:45 as a senior). This kid is the real deal.
tired analogies wrote:
titan wrote:Because 1:49.8 is not even in the top 200 times in the world, let alone challenge for an olympic win. And no, 15 year olds don't compete highly in world swimming either. Do you follow the sport?
Yes they do. It'd be just as irrelevant to mention the age of Chinese gymnast medalists.
Thank you! The year my high school swim team was #1 in the country and on covers of magazines, there were like 3 girls in the top 4 in the country and 1 top 5 in the world. You'd never find a hs like that for track. So as I said before, why was Michael phelps brought up? To downplay a 1:49 15 year old?
TrackCoach wrote:
I watched the video, it wasn't a perfect race.....He ran from 400 to 600 like he was shot out of a cannon, the 3rd 200 is usually where you gather yourself for the penultimate 200, which is usually the fastest.
Wow fantastic stuff thanks track coach.
lol @that grace ping post
she's improved her pace/mile by like what, 10 seconds in a year?
Coacherman wrote:
....I hope he takes a week off, takes XC seriously, and works a little on his endurance over the winter, rather than play basketball. With his 400 speed and comparatively weak 1500/1600 times, a little more strength and endurance work could result in a 1:47 as a soph (and eventually 1:45 as a senior). This kid is the real deal.
This is the key. I understand the push for youth athletes who are great at one sport to play other sports to round out their skills. He has done that since he was 8 by skipping XC and indoor. Now that he's in HS I hope he trains like a "distance" kid and see how far he can take this thing. I think he has tremendous potential in the mile if his mother/coaches plan his training correctly.
Not for nothing but the 2nd place kid in that race who ran 1:55 is a really nice kid with a great head on his shoulders. For those familiar with Delaware distance running you know of The Tatnall School. This kid will be entering his soph year at Tatnall.
where is the video?
Kid is a great runner, but he's very short and is probably done growing. I'm not sure how his ceiling really is. He's the type of kid who could max out in high school and then have a very mediocre college career.
Isn't he only 5'6?
Never heard of a growth spurt? The kid is 15 for Christ sake!
It would be great if he grew, but I think he's the same size he was a year or two ago. He is likely done growing.
Scoonie wrote:
It would be great if he grew, but I think he's the same size he was a year or two ago. He is likely done growing.
So what if he was the same size as last year; that's irrelevant. Its common for a pubescent girl to stop growing at 15, but not a healthy 15 yr old boy.
Plus there's something called being a late bloomer, which is likely what Brandon is as far as height is concerned. he has until hes 21 to grow, and will probably hit 5'8" or 5'9" by 18.
What does height have to do with his potential as a runner?
There are plenty of short guys that can hit fast times on the track. (Gebrselassie, Bekele, Manzano, etc.)
Coacherman wrote:
It looks like he ran 25-high, 27-high (53.4), 26-mid (1:19 high), 29-high.
I think he intentionally accelerated the third 200, as he has stated in previous interviews that taking that risk (accelerating the third 200) is what enabled him to achieve the 1:51.2 record for 14 year olds last year.
I think he can probably go 1:48 right now running a more even 26.5, 27.0, 27.5, 27.5. But he's only 15; we can't expect perfection.
I hope he takes a week off, takes XC seriously, and works a little on his endurance over the winter, rather than play basketball. With his 400 speed and comparatively weak 1500/1600 times, a little more strength and endurance work could result in a 1:47 as a soph (and eventually 1:45 as a senior). This kid is the real deal.
Good analysis.
However, if he is truly a 400/800 type, I am not sure about how seriously he needs to approach XC.
Scoonie wrote:
Isn't he only 5'6?
I would not call 5'6" at 15 short; that's the same height I was at that age ended up at 5'11' by age 19.
TrackCoach wrote:
However, if he is truly a 400/800 type, I am not sure about how seriously he needs to approach XC.
Indoor World Record holder in the 400 meters took XC seriously in High School and it didn't seem to hurt him. He also ran a solid 400 Hurdles last summer in Rio.
Modern science says the aerobic contribution to the 400 and 800 is pretty significant. The aerobic system is also more adaptable through training than the anaerobic system is.
TrackCoach wrote:
800wtf wrote:Hey man, I'm not usually a grammar nazi but your mistakes in this make it confusing. "Penulimate" means "second to last." So you saying that the "3rd 200 is where you gather yourself for the penultimate 200 which is usually the fastest" doesn't make much sense. The 3rd 200 is the penultimate 200. And if you meant to say that the last 200 is usually the fastest I would have to heavily disagree. The last 200 of the 800 should almost always be the slowest if you are going for time. By far most time trial/record attemps happen as follows; out fast the first 200, relax just a tiny bit the 2nd 200, crush the 3rd 200 and hang on for dear life the final 200.
Other than dying a little bit the last 50, as you say, Brandon ran a very typical record-attempt type race.
Wow, that's amazing, I always thought penultimate means next to last.
It does.