is it possible to be great runner without genetics?

Moran alert.

Your argument is hores***. There, I proved it. Stop already.

delight of the rapper wrote:

Please explain the "primacy of genetics" in running. Prove that state champions have genes that occur 1/100s or 1/1000s ot the human population. Prove the same for all of the "genetic freaks" at the Olympics without exception. Where and when did all of these people get genetic profiles done and published to you?

Classical biology informs us that all of an organism's attributes are the expression of genetic instructions--this tenet is essential to the theory of evolution. The attributes which determine running ability are no exception. A runners genes program every aspect of his physiology, including the process by which he adapts to exercise. We don't need to identify the exact genes involved (there are likely too many involved for a single mind to grasp) to know this for sure--it is easily deducible from known facts of nature. In addition, generations of coaches and athletes have consistently observed that there are aspects of performance that do not change appreciably with training and that some individuals cannot catch up to others regardless of training. All of these facts are consistent. Discounting the primacy of genetics is reality denial.

delight of the rapper wrote:

Stop worrying about imaginary running genes that don't exist. Instead, get your butt out there and eat smart, train smart, and rest smart.

Too funny 😅. You must be preparing for a job interview or something 😄

delight of the rapper wrote:

Gene Summons wrote:

If you don't want to find something you never will.

Usain Bolt could eat crap barely move around and stay up all night and he would kick your ass even if you did everything right.

Nowhere in my post did I say I don't want to find running genes. Nowhere in my post did I say anything about me wanting or not wanting to find anything.

Your next sentence about Bolt is more of you making stuff up. Not only is it made up, but it is wrong. Wrong preparation can easily reduce your power output by 50%. I can run 100-400m faster than a 50% Bolt.

Then you would just know they are key.

Bolt has more power than you if he was in a coma for a year.

delight of the rapper wrote:

Science of Genes wrote:

How close are you to making your big breakthrough, champ?

My big breakthrough in what? What does that have to do with this conversation?

At running. You're going to prove that only training rest and nutrition matter. Go!

You have to take back the Ingebrigtsen comment…

As Ed Eyestone says "Chose your parents wisely."

You can still have fun running and be a competitive hobby jogger if you didn't win the genetic lottery. You can do a lot off of fitness alone.

Only someone who has never excelled at anything can imagine that becoming amongst the best at anything, and not just running, can be achieved without giftedness. But even the highest talents don't get to the top without hard work.

Geniuses don't always work hard but can be rich and successful.

No.

Indeed, it is not possible to be alive without genetics. So, being a "great runner" is entirely out of the question.

Someone like you then.

Ask yourself this: What happened to Neanderthal and why? Then ask what's going to happen next shift in evolution. AI, quantum computing, etc. will help answer this question. Just try to enjoy the time you have, it wont last that long.

Making a lot of money isn't a definition of genius but greed.

You've just shown you don't know what excelling is. I do. I have - at things you wouldn't have a clue about. Like most here.

Ed Eyestone may say that now... but the first person I ever heard say that was Jack Wilmore back in the early '80s.... renowned exercise physiologist.

He told me even back then he had V02 max tested more than a thousand people in his lab over the years. He said 90% of them had a VO2 max of less than 65 ml/kg/min. And none of them were elite endurance athletes.

He said almost all really good local type runners were between 65-75 ml/kg/min... and virtually all the elite runners were over 75ml/kg/min. In his actual lab he said the only elite guy he can remember who was under 75 was Peter Snell... although he was aware of others like Shorter and Derek Clayton.