NCAA 60m champ Christian Coleman just ran a 40 - He crushed the NFL combine record

sprinter guy wrote:

I read somewhere that the first 40 yards of Usain Bolt's 9.58 was only a 4.24 when using proper timing. Real NFL players that are wannabe 4.2 guys are really more like 4.5 guys.

Bolt is holding back. He could run a faster 40y time if he didn't have to save his energy for another 70y.

Don't forget Alexander Wright ran a 4.14 40yd. NFL's Fastest Man 2 years in a row.

No he didn't.

Is Tyrone big enough to go across the middle? Or have hands soft enough to grab a bullet on the fly?

The NFL combine is a joke. Why aren't these players evaluated in full pads for these drills and the 40. How can you really see how fast a guy will be on the field when they are running in spandex and track spikes instead of full pads and cleats? It is not useful data.

Good to see a track athlete demolish the football players in the 40. It was always annoying to hear Chris Johnson talk about how he would beat Bolt in a 40.

I don't think this is that impressive. The NFL Combine Recruits are all coming out of college, and people are surprised that the fastest man in college track and field can beat them.

cv,werasfda wrote:

Not meaningless. He ran a 40 just to see, timed under the same conditions the NFL prospects are timed at UT and he ran 4.12, a tenth under the combine record. With his 6.46, and other legit times, this totally computes. And there was no real incentive for him here. It confirms what we already thought, that top NCAA sprinters were significantly faster than any in the NFL. Not to say, however, that some NFL athletes (obviously Bob Hayes, Willie Gault, Darrell Green, and a few others) would not be at this level had they focused on track.

What he's saying is that there is a tenth margin of error with this approach. So Coleman's could really be 4.22 and the NFL guy's could really be 4.12. Or Coleman's could really be 4.02 and the NFL guy's could really be 4.32. Vastly different results, which he stated as meaningless.

Coleman ran in track spikes. NFL guys run in cleats w/ no pads.

Would John Ross have been .11 faster in spikes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qabU6DsZI

Here's what I look at. And don't get me wrong I want to show all my athletes how much faster a track guy is than a football person to get more football kids out sprinting. But, John Ross is 5'11" 187 based off of a quick search. Off of another quick search (please correct me if I'm wrong) Coleman is 5'9" 160. So Ross is running that time at a much heavier weight which obviously is crucial to football. So who is to say if you take Ross, have him lose a few pounds, would be just as fast as Coleman?

sprinter guy wrote:

This all really means nothing because the 40 yard dash is always at least partially hand-timed.

The margin of error is probably .1 or maybe even higher.

It's why the 40 yard dash is nonsensical until they use FAT timing - but that will never happen because people are accustomed to seeing completely unrealistic times. I read somewhere that the first 40 yards of Usain Bolt's 9.58 was only a 4.24 when using proper timing. Real NFL players that are wannabe 4.2 guys are really more like 4.5 guys.

The combine record he crushed is FAT moran.

So he's about as fast as Bo.

RPanama wrote:

The way the athlete was timed in the video was NOT 100% electronic and not apples to apples w/ say John Ross' combine time.

What they hell are you talking about...they had an electronic timing setup right there that they show in the video!

Thinkaboutit wrote:

Coleman ran in track spikes. NFL guys run in cleats w/ no pads.

Would John Ross have been .11 faster in spikes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qabU6DsZI

Another idiot who didn't even watch the video SMH

COLEMAN IS ON TURF IN THE VID DUMBARSE. Same setup as the combine.

This is all retreaded. It's FAT or nothing.

Among very different players actual differences can be measured this way, but among similar ones...no.

All the fastest combine guys are fast to 40m.

Coleman is exceptionally fast to 40m, one of the very best ever. He's faster than track athletes to 40m!

So who gives a rat's a_s.

This is like saying that in a combine-style evaluation, Jerry Rice has better hands than Coleman.

NO, REALLY?

Typical sports brilliance.

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

running buff wrote:

cv,werasfda wrote:

Not meaningless. He ran a 40 just to see, timed under the same conditions the NFL prospects are timed at UT and he ran 4.12, a tenth under the combine record. With his 6.46, and other legit times, this totally computes. And there was no real incentive for him here. It confirms what we already thought, that top NCAA sprinters were significantly faster than any in the NFL. Not to say, however, that some NFL athletes (obviously Bob Hayes, Willie Gault, Darrell Green, and a few others) would not be at this level had they focused on track.

What he's saying is that there is a tenth margin of error with this approach. So Coleman's could really be 4.22 and the NFL guy's could really be 4.12. Or Coleman's could really be 4.02 and the NFL guy's could really be 4.32. Vastly different results, which he stated as meaningless.

Correct, in principle. Though, the ranges are probably more like 4.07-4.17 and 4.17-4.27. I don't think too many people are going to claim John Ross can outrun Christian Coleman at any distance. But, even a tenth when we're talking about 40 yards is massive.

However, it may even be worse than that in some instances. The De'Anthony Thomas example from a few years ago stands out to me. The man has run 10.31 for 100 meters and 20.61 for 200 meters, and was clearly flying during his 40 at the combine. However, the official result was 4.50 - which made sense to no one. His PRs are faster than Chris Johnson who was similarly timed at 4.24, and Chris Johnson's run looks noticeably slower if you play them side by side.

The whole event at the NFL combine is a FRAUD on the athletes, teams, fans, and it is a joke.

LetsRun.com wrote:

https://twitter.com/Vol_Track/status/859136135200735232

The NFL combine record is 4.22. Coleman ran a 4.12.

meh, is there a surprise that an individual who is the NCAA 60m champ is faster than NFL players, who need more than one aspect than just speed to be good players? I'll be more curious what compounds these guys are taking. I'm guessing the NFL guys would have more stuff to gain size and strength, while Coleman stays as lean and efficient as possible in terms of body weight.

tripleX wrote:

meh, is there a surprise that an individual who is the NCAA 60m champ is faster than NFL players,

Uhhhh it's a surprise to NFL players, because all the corners and wideouts do is talk smack about track sprinters and say they would dust them in a 40. This proves them all wrong.

Also a surprise to NFL fans who believe that talk.

Trackheads, nah.

Reptilians wrote:

I don't think this is that impressive. The NFL Combine Recruits are all coming out of college, and people are surprised that the fastest man in college track and field can beat them.

It's not that the fastest man in college track can run faster than them its more about all the NFL and college players saying they have elite track speed and can run as fast or faster then the current top 100m runners. While the best footballers are fast, they don't compare to the elite sprinters in track for the college or professional ranks.

Coleman is 5'9" and about 155-60. Julio Jones is 6'3" and 220lbs. Le’Veon Bell is 6'1" and 225. So, of course Coleman is going to beat these guys by .3-4. But if you put a football in his hands in the NFL, he would be broken into 23 pieces after the first hard tackle.