How fast could a 15:00 5k guy get on EPO?

How much EPO you take is a big factor. Take too much, and your blood turns to sludge and you die in your sleep...with a nice 5k race medal around your neck.

I've read some research published that reports the gains can very from 4-11% which would be 36-99 seconds. So theoretically you could expect 14:24-13:21....That is a huge gap.

The article cited in this thread demonstrates about 45 to 50 sec improvement over 3K (one group had 42 sec, the other 53). I think the former were better trained going in, maybe explaining the slightly less improvement.

ukathleticcoach wrote:

Doodl wrote:

Why not? Because some people don't like cheating.

Or making the trials is not a massive achievement. The trials are to select the team not an end in themselves.

I'd say the improvement ​is about 20 seconds for 5,000m as that's how much they suddenly improved by when EPO was introduced.

So that means around a 5 second improvement for the 1500m?

Guys like El Guerrouj and Morcelli then were really good for 3:32/33, if that.

Scary to think that British runners like John Mayock and Anthony Whiteman, who we've almost totally forgotten, were running 3:32 in the 90's, clean.

Two confounders:- Change in coach- Drastic change in training from high mileage, to low mileage including more intensity

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

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Watchout Rekrunner will turn up here soon and claim that EPO had no relationship to his massive improvement.

It depends ... are we talking about a true 15:00 runner, or a more talented runner with poor training, that hasn't realised his true potential when running 15:00.

Axe You ? wrote:

Would EPO get them 13:30-sub 14 range? Would they be able to go 30:00 or better 10k?

How long does EPO take to kick in?

rekrunner wrote:

Two confounders:

- Change in coach

- Drastic change in training from high mileage, to low mileage including more intensity

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

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Watchout Rekrunner will turn up here soon and claim that EPO had no relationship to his massive improvement.

He actually said it was the plyometrics that made the difference.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Axe You ? wrote:

Would EPO get them 13:30-sub 14 range? Would they be able to go 30:00 or better 10k?

How long does EPO take to kick in?

14:04 - 14:42

Nah 14:03 to 14:43. You're so far off.

For a group of well-trained Kenyans at altitude, it was about a ~5% improvement in a 3k TT:

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/study-kenyans-get-performance-boost-from-epo

OK three confounders.

trollism wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Two confounders:

- Change in coach

- Drastic change in training from high mileage, to low mileage including more intensity

He actually said it was the plyometrics that made the difference.

U will shave seconds bur u WILL DESTROY U BODY IN LONG TERM

EPO alone will get you virtually nothing, you will need to take iron, vitamin C (to help absorb the iron), then because you are running harder in training, you will want to take HGH and testosterone to help with recovery. Once you start mixing in those you might as well get on the anabolic's and IGF. You will want to join a body building forum and pick up some tips on cycling the various steroids though.

Give it a year without injury and hard 120 mile weeks and you would be sub 13:30.

Axe You ? wrote:

Would EPO get them 13:30-sub 14 range? Would they be able to go 30:00 or better 10k?

How long does EPO take to kick in?

13:05

I like Vodka wrote:

For a group of well-trained Kenyans at altitude, it was about a ~5% improvement in a 3k TT:

http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/study-kenyans-get-performance-boost-from-epo

Yeah, that's an average of 5% improvement in 4 weeks. So 14:15 for a 15:00 5k runner in a month. I'd guess a full year of training with EPO would get a 15 5k runner under 14.

Driss dacha wrote:

U will shave seconds bur u WILL DESTROY U BODY IN LONG TERM

Everyone dies.

fsdfsddfdsfsdf wrote:

Where can we buy without having to travel to Mexico or Canada? Any legitimate sources? I'll be the guinea pig.

You need to find a guy by the name of Teddy Mitchell. I think that he's in Tucson or ABQ. He'll hook you up.

15 to 14:15 in 4 weeks? EPO is one helluva drug.

deanoisgod wrote:

ukathleticcoach wrote:

Or making the trials is not a massive achievement. The trials are to select the team not an end in themselves.

I'd say the improvement ​is about 20 seconds for 5,000m as that's how much they suddenly improved by when EPO was introduced.

So that means around a 5 second improvement for the 1500m?

Guys like El Guerrouj and Morcelli then were really good for 3:32/33, if that.

Scary to think that British runners like John Mayock and Anthony Whiteman, who we've almost totally forgotten, were running 3:32 in the 90's, clean.

In with the obvious rejoinder: How do you know they were clean?

rekrunner wrote:

OK three confounders.

trollism wrote:

He actually said it was the plyometrics that made the difference.

Your 2 confounders as you call them are wrong and Lombards excuse is just that, an excuse. I'd love to know how you feel you are such an expert on an athlete when you know nothing about him. Unlike you rekrunner, I know Cathal and trained with Leevale AC for years during that period. You seriously think that a change in coach and a change in training can take a 27 year old also ran in Irish Nationals and no past pedigree to running faster than Mark Carroll, John Treacy and Alistar Cragg. A guy who struggled in Regionals in Ireland to an Olympic qualifier in the 5000/10000 at the ripe old age of 27 and do it in one year?😂😂😂😂

Dropping over 3 minutes off his 10000m Pb in one year after 14 years training and heading just out the backdoor of his physical peak. A guy who could barely scrape under 31 minutes lining up with Bekele and Geb a year later😂😂😂

You're dillusion is laughable