Validity of 400 m Dash National Class Records Called into Question as AGE ADVANTAGE not addressed

indigo bi states "It's almost like your posts are invisible to the OP.

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Regarding age group records young kids born in January do better than kids born in December. There's never been a level playing field and there never will be. Even in college 18 year olds are pitted against 23 year olds. But on the youth level we should stop paying attention to age group and class records and worry about developing the talent of the athletes we coach.

You are failing to address a valid counterpoint made. Groupthink is entirely irrelevant to that.

indigo bi wrote:

You are failing to address a valid counterpoint made. Groupthink is entirely irrelevant to that.

So, maybe what we need to do is to have an Age 14 Freshman Class record, and also an Age 15 Freshman Class record.

It is no sillier than the Brojo's American Born American college records and nonsense like that.

Since the freshman record is assumed to be for people who are 14 or 15, the soph for 15-16, the junior for 16-17, and the senior for 17-18, all you have to do in view of how many boys are now being held back for athletic or maturation reasons (more than 10%, I believe), is count by school age starting from kindergarten (5 years old by 9/1 of the school year), and go sequentially. So, kindergarteners can get the record if they are 5 or turn 6 during the school year, first graders at 6 or turning 7, 9th graders are 14, turning 15 in the school year or summer after prior to 9/1, 10th graders 15 or 16. At 16 and 10 months you would be categorized as a junior for record purposes if you are turning 17 before 9/1, not as a sophomore. That's a coherent system linking age to grade, just as the school does so to start and in the normal case and it accounts for the inherent unfairness of a kid who is a year older setting records over younger kids.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

indigo bi wrote:

You are failing to address a valid counterpoint made. Groupthink is entirely irrelevant to that.

So, maybe what we need to do is to have an Age 14 Freshman Class record, and also an Age 15 Freshman Class record.

It is no sillier than the Brojo's American Born American college records and nonsense like that.

Fair point!

wer.aiupoasf wrote:

Since the freshman record is assumed to be for people who are 14 or 15, the soph for 15-16, the junior for 16-17, and the senior for 17-18,

Freshmen records are assumed to be set by people who are freshmen, sophmore records by people who are sophmores, junior records by people who are juniors, and senior records by people who are seniors.

Age records are set by people who are assumed to be X-age.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

So, maybe what we need to do is to have an Age 14 Freshman Class record, and also an Age 15 Freshman Class record.

First, I appreciate the repeated usage of my quote. Somehow still hasn't sunken in yet for the OP.

Secondly, screw this. If we're going to break down classes by age, I want more than by YEAR. Let's take it to the month, day, hour....minute? If we go that far, I might have the HS 400m Record for freshmen who were 14 years, 6months, 8days, 7 hours, and 36 minutes. If not, I don't object to going to the second to get my record. It's an injustice otherwise! I want a freakin' encyclopedia of record holders for every minute of life.

Wendy, I think it is great that you are so passionate about a cause but don't you think there are more important issues you can address than this?

Volunteer at the Ronald McDonald House in your area if you want to see kids who life is treating unfairly. This is silly to worry about.

I totally agree!!!

Duh!

Actually , the answer is a combination of age group and class records beginning on Sept 1st. If you are 14 yrs old and born on or after Sept 1st of the academic year that makes you a Freshman. Freshman start to year at age 14 and end the sophomore year at age 15. If you are already 15 when the academic year start you cannot be considered of freshman for record purposes but a sophomore.

"When Tyrese Cooper was the age of a high school freshman (in the 8th grade) he ran the outdoor 400 meter dash in 46.44"

Then your argument holds no water at all because:

As an 8th grader he ran faster then the "freshman class record"

AND

As a 9th grader he ALSO ran faster than the "freshman class record"

By age or by academic standing, he is the record holder.

NEXT

I think you are exhibiting purposeful ignorance.

You do realize that there are records that are dictated by your age, no?

As pointed out about a hundred times, no, she does not get that. She thinks they should be one in the same.

Someone's really worked up about this:

http://pa.milesplit.com/users/701405

milesplit psycho wrote:

Someone's really worked up about this:

Obsess Much? wrote:

milesplit psycho wrote:

Someone's really worked up about this:

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I believe this may me the work of the evil and insidious Dray Dnew, an erstwhile cashier at Poppy's Dime & Quarter (A Step Up from your Five & Dime)â„¢ in east Philadelphia.

William Reed used to buy his Blow Pops there, enjoying the freshness of the product and the friendliness of the staff. Especially one Dray Dnew.

Over the course of a pallet of Pops, Dray became obsessed with the terrible injustice foisted upon his favorite client, and vowed to wreak havoc on the Class Record Overlords at Track & Field News, the only people who gave enough of a shit to actually keep said "records".

And now you know... the rest of the story.