Converting female to male mile times

This computation will be known from this point forward as the "Semenya Solution."

40-45 seconds per 1600 seems to work pretty well (for high school). So a man's 5:00 mile = 5:35-5:45 for a female. You could also take 90% of the female time to get the male equivalent, so 5:00 for a man = 5:33 for a woman. IMO adding 40 or 45 seconds works better for high school, and 0.9 is more accurate for professional athletes.

On another thread I looked at athletic.net stats for the 1600 last year. Based on that, 4:59/5:00 for a female is worth about 4:18/4:19 for a male.

MIT's recruitment/walk on standards are 5:06/5:15 for females and 4:22/4:29 for men. So that's about a 45 second difference. Percent might be more accurate but for a quick "rule of thumb" it's much easier to just add/subtract 40 or 45.

The problem is that so many elite women were on the roids and females respond way better to roids then blokes do, so getting a male/female equivalency ratio may be harder than is believed. Women running 47s for 400m is about the same as a man running 41-42s.

Tinman wrote:

11% is reasonable ballpark difference.

For all distances or just the mile? Like Almaz Ayana 29:17 is equal to a male running what? Also was wondering about Ingrid Kristiansen times and what would they be if she was a male?

3:40 male = 4:08 female

3:59 male = 4:25 female

4:10 male = 4:39 female

4:30 male = 5:01 female

4:55 male = 5:28 female

5:15 male = 5:59 female

5:35 male = 6:21 female

6:00 male = 6:46 female

6:30 male = 7:20 female

7:00 male = 8:00 female

8:00 male = 9:15 female

9:00 male = 11:30 female

kvothe wrote:

We could know for sure by timing Caitlyn Jenner.

OK, I'm over the Caitlin Jenner jokes but that was a good one.

Age grading tables are supposed to give an equivalence for performances across age and gender.

But this is one of those things where there's no absolute, correct answer - different times are different times; how you chose to compare them is ultimately up to you...

Try to have this conversation on the view with Whoopi and you would get whooped. I would would really like a topic like this with objective data to be discussed with the far left. They want total equality so they would probably argue that there is some historical advantage causing men to be faster, or of like why men make more money or why they do better in math.

Maybe it is more acceptable to be a good athlete so the better women aren't trying as hard or they are being discouraged from participating at all. We are probably just a few years away from not needing separate categories fro women.

FR wrote:

40-45 seconds per 1600 seems to work pretty well (for high school). So a man's 5:00 mile = 5:35-5:45 for a female. You could also take 90% of the female time to get the male equivalent, so 5:00 for a man = 5:33 for a woman. IMO adding 40 or 45 seconds works better for high school, and 0.9 is more accurate for professional athletes.

On another thread I looked at athletic.net stats for the 1600 last year. Based on that, 4:59/5:00 for a female is worth about 4:18/4:19 for a male.

MIT's recruitment/walk on standards are 5:06/5:15 for females and 4:22/4:29 for men. So that's about a 45 second difference. Percent might be more accurate but for a quick "rule of thumb" it's much easier to just add/subtract 40 or 45.

The per mile adjust is around 30 seconds. Based on your 40 or 45, Cain's 9:38 would be equivalent to 8:18 or 8:08 for the boys.

"Converting" between girl and guy times isn't a simple add 45/60. That might work for the mile but what about the 800? 400? 3K?

A rough table I use in my head when asking some chick about her times is this:

For 800m...

Male Female

1:55 ~2:15

2:00 ~2:20

2:10 ~2:35

For 1600m...

Male Female

4:15 4:45-55

4:30 5:20

5:00 5:45-6:00

For 400m...

Male Female

55 ~59-60

Obviously the time difference gets smaller the more you get towards the cream of the crop because the top pro world class women have testosterone levels more comparable to men (naturally) which is a train that average women do not posess so you have to give women who aren’t competing at a high level fair bit more leeway. Hormones matter and it’s not that most women do not have the genetic abilities to get good, they just do not have the right hormones for it because their bodies are more geared towards childbirth rather than fight/flight run and fight.

Mile

4:00 M 4:35 F

4:30 M 5:10 F

5:00 M 5:50 F

5:30 M 6:20 F

6:00 M 7:00 F

800

1:50 M 2:05 F

2:00 M 2:18 F

2:10 M 2:35 F

2:20 M 2:48 F

2:30 M 3:00 F

400

0:45 M 0:50 F

0:50 M 0:56 F

0:55 M 1:02.5 F

1:00 M 1:10 F

1:05 M 1:15 F

1:10 M 1:30 F

I like these numbers for a general big target frame of reference conversation about the average performers at these levels.