I ran with Jim in college, he's an incredible athlete and I can see why the ultras suit him. I would not doubt his work ethic or that he is racing clean.
I ran with Jim in college, he's an incredible athlete and I can see why the ultras suit him. I would not doubt his work ethic or that he is racing clean.
Didn't Krupicka run much more than that? I remember something like 200 mpw
herman k. wrote:
Didn't Krupicka run much more than that? I remember something like 200 mpw
Yeah 150 often and paid for it with shin splints and a stress factor I believe. But Anton pretty much ran up and down in minimal shoes. At least Jim has varied paces and road mixed in for a different kind of strengthing of the legs, plus hes in Hokas. Smart runner in training actually, compared to Anton.
There is a long list of high mileage ultra runnners who have a lot of initial success and then pretty epic fades. I am unaware of anyone who kept up big big miles for prolonged periods who stayed to the top for very long.
If Jim is concerned about longevity, racing for many years, I would be very cautious about doing such high mileage without mixing in some significant down time and lower mileage weeks.
Yiannis Kouros ran around 80 mpw, usually not more than 12 miles per run, frequent shorter runs, and lots of quality. Rarely got on trails. The races were his long runs. He had career longevity. Bruce Fordyce trained similarly, only running higher volume early in his career before cutting back and thriving on more quality.
I'm not sure we can say Jim is overtraining just yet. Sure he has some big weeks. But in the last year he did 14 weeks at 120+. Plenty were around 100, and quite a few were 80 or less. So he isn't doing mega miles all the time. And if you look at his training, you can see some clear build ups for events and some good down after the event.
How do these miles compare to say jurek in his prime?
Almost identical training with Walmsley amd Jureck... (except we know Jim does his at 6:30 avg per mile.... Jureck...maybe 7:30 at best??)
In articles in RW and Trailrunner Magazine there was info that said Scott does 100-120mpw with an emphasis on elevation gain.
Back to back saturday/sunday runs of 35 and 30 miles both with elevation gains/losses in the 8000-10000' range.
Also, a 24 mile run where he repeats the same 4 miles up and down (8 miles round trip) three times that gains 3000' or so in those 4 miles.
Read more:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1058349&page=1#ixzz4VmXF1yxc
averages wrote:
I'm not sure we can say Jim is overtraining just yet. Sure he has some big weeks. But in the last year he did 14 weeks at 120+. Plenty were around 100, and quite a few were 80 or less. So he isn't doing mega miles all the time. And if you look at his training, you can see some clear build ups for events and some good down after the event.
look at 2016 weeks
2015
That is a huge difference. But the difference is big enough that I'm guessing he was not using Strava as consistently in 2015 as he has been lately. I mean, nothing in the summer. I find that hard to believe.
I also don't think he was doing big miles, either. This year is definitely a step up. I just wonder exactly how much.
Jim has stated that he isn't concerned with longevity in this sport. He wants to go big or go home. If that means a couple great years and some major wins or CRs or FKTs, then good.
This year he is known to be racing Tarawera 100k in February, Western States in June where he will aim for a huge CR, and then UTMB.
yiannis and bruce wrote:
Yiannis Kouros ran around 80 mpw, usually not more than 12 miles per run, frequent shorter runs, and lots of quality. Rarely got on trails. The races were his long runs. He had career longevity. Bruce Fordyce trained similarly, only running higher volume early in his career before cutting back and thriving on more quality.
I'm a casual fan of the sport and I haven't heard those names but I've heard lots about Jim. Food for thought.
Does he work? I can't imagine he has energy to do anything else.
Andy Dufresne22 wrote:
I'm a casual fan of the sport and I haven't heard those names but I've heard lots about Jim. Food for thought.
Yiannis is the best ultrarunner of all time. Bruce has won Comrades more than anyone else. Jim has not won a major race.
Ultra runners are a jogging breed.
They are just not a running breed.
Oh cmon now wrote:
Ultra runners are a jogging breed.
They are just not a running breed.
Ignorance is bliss.
Except dude isn't jogging he is going out running 6minute miles and doign 100+ mpw
Walmsley is likely to blow up spectacularly given his training and racing schedule. At least he will if he keeps this up. Everyone thinks they are special and what happened to everyone else won't happen to them.
Jornet is more of a mountain athlete and doesn't act like he cares about winning as much as the adventures. I think Killian is winning in the areas that really count.
Legit point.
titaniumbolt wrote:
Time for the board's daily reminder that anti-doping measures are next to nothing in the world of ultras.