Is there a comprehensive list of all Dave Wottle race results?
This is woefully incomplete:
https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/-/14347732
Also: did Dave Wottle represent USA just one time?
Thanks.
Is there a comprehensive list of all Dave Wottle race results?
This is woefully incomplete:
https://www.worldathletics.org/athletes/-/14347732
Also: did Dave Wottle represent USA just one time?
Thanks.
This says 4:20.2 in high school
http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/slowmilers.htm
Dave Wottle 4:20.2 1:45.86,3:53.3
CIF track history wrote:
This says 4:20.2 in high school
http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/slowmilers.htmDave Wottle 4:20.2 1:45.86,3:53.3
That is certainly an interesting list/site......and helpful.
ARRS does not have a runner profile on Dave Wottle that I can find. Neither does USTFCCCA that I can find - disappointing their History icon for meets & results is not working.
Can the keeper of all thing Dave Wottle AKA Scott Wottle suggest any links?
CIF track history wrote:
This says 4:20.2 in high school
http://www.cs.uml.edu/~phoffman/nats/slowmilers.htmDave Wottle 4:20.2 1:45.86,3:53.3
The times listed to the right must be his mile and his Olympic 800. His WR was 1:44.3.
SWAZ wrote:
I read that he ran 4:20 in high school, but that seems awfully slow for a future 800m gold medalist. Does anyone know if he was faster than this?
It's kind of silly to discuss HS PRs for great runners that obviously didn't run seriously at the time. Wottle, of course, was extremely talented and if he had run XC/track for 3-4 years and trained during the off-seasons, he would have done something like 1:51/4:05.
Total nonsense wrote:
Remember when rock was rock wrote:
In those days many of the tracks were clay, grass, or cinder. In fact the tracks of the 1980s were not as bouncy as the trampoline tracks of today.
You have no understanding of tracks. Bounciness would make a track slower, not faster. It is the smoothness that makes a track fast.
We also ran in 5 pound shoes and had uniforms so inflexible that you had to throw them away every 3 years or so!
Wrong. Shoes fit better, were lighter and more durable then.
Obviously you haven't followed Monty Python.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
SWAZ wrote:
I read that he ran 4:20 in high school, but that seems awfully slow for a future 800m gold medalist. Does anyone know if he was faster than this?
It's kind of silly to discuss HS PRs for great runners that obviously didn't run seriously at the time. Wottle, of course, was extremely talented and if he had run XC/track for 3-4 years and trained during the off-seasons, he would have done something like 1:51/4:05.
It is not silly at all. Please explain how Tom Byers went from 4:17 HS senior to 3:37 TOSU freshman in 1 year?
https://worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/tom-byers-14355308hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
It's kind of silly to discuss HS PRs for great runners that obviously didn't run seriously at the time. Wottle, of course, was extremely talented and if he had run XC/track for 3-4 years and trained during the off-seasons, he would have done something like 1:51/4:05.
It is not silly at all. Please explain how Tom Byers went from 4:17 HS senior to 3:37 TOSU freshman in 1 year?
https://worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/tom-byers-14355308
Because he didn't train much in HS? What's your explanation?
There was a 1:56 guy in our section that also played football. He focused on distance running starting in college and set a junior record in the Steeple the next spring.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
It is not silly at all. Please explain how Tom Byers went from 4:17 HS senior to 3:37 TOSU freshman in 1 year?
https://worldathletics.org/athletes/united-states/tom-byers-14355308Because he didn't train much in HS? What's your explanation?
There was a 1:56 guy in our section that also played football. He focused on distance running starting in college and set a junior record in the Steeple the next spring.
I don't have an explanation (and never claim to), but you don't either. Name the athlete and the steeple time he ran. Your steeple reference is misleading - they don't run steeple in HS.
hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Because he didn't train much in HS? What's your explanation?
There was a 1:56 guy in our section that also played football. He focused on distance running starting in college and set a junior record in the Steeple the next spring.
I don't have an explanation (and never claim to), but you don't either. Name the athlete and the steeple time he ran. Your steeple reference is misleading - they don't run steeple in HS.
You didn't read "starting in college".
Sure, it was Henry Perez who ran for Edison in Fresno. He later ran for Delta JC in Stockton, ran an 8:48 Steeple his Freshman year and outkicked Kirk Pfeffer at the Cal JC XC championships the next fall. He seemed like a worldbeater and people were expecting him to break 4:00, among other thing, but the wheels came off somehow. He received a scholarship for U.S.C. but I never saw any results there for him there.
Unless Byers squeezed 5 years of physical maturity into less than one, year he was obviously undertrained and was capable of 4:00 in HS. I'm sure you've seen him run on YouTube and he noticed what a gifted runner he was. Steve Scott said Byers was more talented than him but also a bit of a flake.
There were several guys in my section that ran throughout H.S. and topped out at about 4:20. Doing so means they didn't have top-end speed and/or strength to become anywhere near elite level. Many of them dropped off the radar after HS or a couple years at American River College.
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
the slowish HS guys are all the same. Some combo of only running a year or two and 35mpw training
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SDSU Aztec wrote:
hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
I don't have an explanation (and never claim to), but you don't either. Name the athlete and the steeple time he ran. Your steeple reference is misleading - they don't run steeple in HS.
You didn't read "starting in college".
Sure, it was Henry Perez who ran for Edison in Fresno. He later ran for Delta JC in Stockton, ran an 8:48 Steeple his Freshman year and outkicked Kirk Pfeffer at the Cal JC XC championships the next fall. He seemed like a worldbeater and people were expecting him to break 4:00, among other thing, but the wheels came off somehow. He received a scholarship for U.S.C. but I never saw any results there for him there.
Unless Byers squeezed 5 years of physical maturity into less than one, year he was obviously undertrained and was capable of 4:00 in HS. I'm sure you've seen him run on YouTube and he noticed what a gifted runner he was. Steve Scott said Byers was more talented than him but also a bit of a flake.
There were several guys in my section that ran throughout H.S. and topped out at about 4:20. Doing so means they didn't have top-end speed and/or strength to become anywhere near elite level. Many of them dropped off the radar after HS or a couple years at American River College.
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
Aztec, my gift to you:
https://more.arrs.run/runner/12808SDSU Aztec wrote:
hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
I don't have an explanation (and never claim to), but you don't either. Name the athlete and the steeple time he ran. Your steeple reference is misleading - they don't run steeple in HS.
You didn't read "starting in college".
Sure, it was Henry Perez who ran for Edison in Fresno. He later ran for Delta JC in Stockton, ran an 8:48 Steeple his Freshman year and outkicked Kirk Pfeffer at the Cal JC XC championships the next fall. He seemed like a worldbeater and people were expecting him to break 4:00, among other thing, but the wheels came off somehow. He received a scholarship for U.S.C. but I never saw any results there for him there.
Unless Byers squeezed 5 years of physical maturity into less than one, year he was obviously undertrained and was capable of 4:00 in HS. I'm sure you've seen him run on YouTube and he noticed what a gifted runner he was. Steve Scott said Byers was more talented than him but also a bit of a flake.
There were several guys in my section that ran throughout H.S. and topped out at about 4:20. Doing so means they didn't have top-end speed and/or strength to become anywhere near elite level. Many of them dropped off the radar after HS or a couple years at American River College.
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
I dont think that Perez ever held the AJR in the steeplechase. My first steeplechses in 1974 was 8:52, the #2 US Jr mark of alltime. A runner from Oregon, held the AJR at the time. I believe it was Todd Lather 8:39 or 8:40. My memory is usually a lot better than most on these things. Usually.
Byers, by the way, is the only athlete to win both the Senior and Junior US championships in the same year. Thats an amazing factoid.
hopelessly wallowing in the past wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
You didn't read "starting in college".
Sure, it was Henry Perez who ran for Edison in Fresno. He later ran for Delta JC in Stockton, ran an 8:48 Steeple his Freshman year and outkicked Kirk Pfeffer at the Cal JC XC championships the next fall. He seemed like a worldbeater and people were expecting him to break 4:00, among other thing, but the wheels came off somehow. He received a scholarship for U.S.C. but I never saw any results there for him there.
Unless Byers squeezed 5 years of physical maturity into less than one, year he was obviously undertrained and was capable of 4:00 in HS. I'm sure you've seen him run on YouTube and he noticed what a gifted runner he was. Steve Scott said Byers was more talented than him but also a bit of a flake.
There were several guys in my section that ran throughout H.S. and topped out at about 4:20. Doing so means they didn't have top-end speed and/or strength to become anywhere near elite level. Many of them dropped off the radar after HS or a couple years at American River College.
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
Aztec, my gift to you:
https://more.arrs.run/runner/12808
I use ARRS all the time. There are a ton of results for Perez in the NorCal Running Review.
malmo wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
You didn't read "starting in college".
Sure, it was Henry Perez who ran for Edison in Fresno. He later ran for Delta JC in Stockton, ran an 8:48 Steeple his Freshman year and outkicked Kirk Pfeffer at the Cal JC XC championships the next fall. He seemed like a worldbeater and people were expecting him to break 4:00, among other thing, but the wheels came off somehow. He received a scholarship for U.S.C. but I never saw any results there for him there.
Unless Byers squeezed 5 years of physical maturity into less than one, year he was obviously undertrained and was capable of 4:00 in HS. I'm sure you've seen him run on YouTube and he noticed what a gifted runner he was. Steve Scott said Byers was more talented than him but also a bit of a flake.
There were several guys in my section that ran throughout H.S. and topped out at about 4:20. Doing so means they didn't have top-end speed and/or strength to become anywhere near elite level. Many of them dropped off the radar after HS or a couple years at American River College.
Some of you like to pick HS PRs as proof that it's possible for a relatively mediocre HS distance runner to later become elite but they can be misleading without details of their HS training.
I dont think that Perez ever held the AJR in the steeplechase. My first steeplechses in 1974 was 8:52, the #2 US Jr mark of alltime. A runner from Oregon, held the AJR at the time. I believe it was Todd Lather 8:39 or 8:40. My memory is usually a lot better than most on these things. Usually.
Yeah, it was a guy from Oregon State that held the record. Perez won the Steeple at the national Jr championships in 1975 and still holds the meet record.
The story I heard about Perez was that during runs, he would do a triple jump including the trunk and hood of a car.
Remember when rock was rock wrote:
In those days many of the tracks were clay, grass, or cinder. In fact the tracks of the 1980s were not as bouncy as the trampoline tracks of today.
We also ran in 5 pound shoes and had uniforms so inflexible that you had to throw them away every 3 years or so!
What about the medical and scientific advances of today.
There was a "universal" weight machine that a lot of skinny guys could lift some incredibly heavy weights, but I bet Dave Wottle couldn't do more than 250 on those either. Then again for some people if you go 1/2 down that's a full rep!
Yeah, I heard the tracks were uphill back in those days.
Loved watching the guy with the hat. I was in junior high at the time. For a year or so, the trend was to wear a hat in a race.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
malmo wrote:
I dont think that Perez ever held the AJR in the steeplechase. My first steeplechses in 1974 was 8:52, the #2 US Jr mark of alltime. A runner from Oregon, held the AJR at the time. I believe it was Todd Lather 8:39 or 8:40. My memory is usually a lot better than most on these things. Usually.
Yeah, it was a guy from Oregon State that held the record. Perez won the Steeple at the national Jr championships in 1975 and still holds the meet record.
The story I heard about Perez was that during runs, he would do a triple jump including the trunk and hood of a car.
Lathers went to Oregon not Oregon State.
malmo wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Yeah, it was a guy from Oregon State that held the record. Perez won the Steeple at the national Jr championships in 1975 and still holds the meet record.
The story I heard about Perez was that during runs, he would do a triple jump including the trunk and hood of a car.
Lathers went to Oregon not Oregon State.
I got him mixed with this guy from 1984: 8:39.81 Karl Van Calcar (Oregon State) I don't recall either runner.