Amos runs the second leg. 44.1 official. I think a 44.9 is a fair prediction for his open 400.
Amos runs the second leg. 44.1 official. I think a 44.9 is a fair prediction for his open 400.
800ftw. wrote:
Amos runs the second leg. 44.1 official. I think a 44.9 is a fair prediction for his open 400.
It's not.
Bad@ss by Amos!! I never saw that race! Now that is speed. He even jumped lanes in the final 100m... I am sure deanouk will say Amos could go 43.5 with that race. Awesome.
TrackBot wrote:
PRs for Mark Everett:
300 m (Indoor): 33.41 on 15 Jan 1989
400 m (Outdoor): 44.59 on 27 Jun 1991
400 m (Indoor): 45.44 on 28 Feb 1991
500 m (Indoor): 1:01.29 on 2 Mar 2000
800 m (Outdoor): 1:43.20 on 9 Jul 1997
800 m (Indoor): 1:46.28 on 25 Feb 1990
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Thanks. I'm a little embarrassed to admit I had never heard of Mark Everett before. I was in grade school when he was at his peak.
In 1991, Mark Everett had the 7th fastest 400 in the world along with the 4th fastest 800. That's pretty baller.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_in_athletics_(track_and_field)
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_400ok.htmrelays aren't open races wrote:
800ftw. wrote:Amos runs the second leg. 44.1 official. I think a 44.9 is a fair prediction for his open 400.
It's not.
Relays aren't open races, correct. That's why I said I'd predict a 44.9 based on that race. Watch the video, what do you think he can run for 400m?
He's running against sub 45 guys in that.
800ftw. wrote:
relays aren't open races wrote:It's not.
Relays aren't open races, correct. That's why I said I'd predict a 44.9 based on that race. Watch the video, what do you think he can run for 400m?
He's running against sub 45 guys in that.
45 low/mid. He is slow out of blocks. Lots of NCAA guys split 1-1.5 seconds faster than they run for the open especially if they are 800 types.
Ok, that's your opinion, but take a look at that document. Not many of those guys have run relay splits 1-1.5s faster than their open 400m. The fastest split all time is MJ with 42.9. Nearly all the low 43 times have been recorded by 43 high athletes. Apart from a few outliers, most seem to have relay splits only about 0.5-1 second slower than their PB.
Consider that Amos' 44.1 included some strange lane changing and navigating a field. He is overtaking pro 400m runners.
Amos isn't slow out the blocks you've just decided that because he's an 800m guy.
Everett's fastest relay split is 44.5.
800ftw. wrote:
Ok, that's your opinion, but take a look at that document. Not many of those guys have run relay splits 1-1.5s faster than their open 400m. The fastest split all time is MJ with 42.9. Nearly all the low 43 times have been recorded by 43 high athletes. Apart from a few outliers, most seem to have relay splits only about 0.5-1 second slower than their PB.
Consider that Amos' 44.1 included some strange lane changing and navigating a field. He is overtaking pro 400m runners.
Amos isn't slow out the blocks you've just decided that because he's an 800m guy.
You said it's a SAFE bet that he'd run 44.9. I said it's not. It's a very generous bet.
Considering he's raced lots of 400s and has a PB of 45.5 it's quite likely he is slow compared to his 4x4 split.
relays aren't open races wrote:
800ftw. wrote:Ok, that's your opinion, but take a look at that document. Not many of those guys have run relay splits 1-1.5s faster than their open 400m. The fastest split all time is MJ with 42.9. Nearly all the low 43 times have been recorded by 43 high athletes. Apart from a few outliers, most seem to have relay splits only about 0.5-1 second slower than their PB.
Consider that Amos' 44.1 included some strange lane changing and navigating a field. He is overtaking pro 400m runners.
Amos isn't slow out the blocks you've just decided that because he's an 800m guy.
You said it's a SAFE bet that he'd run 44.9. I said it's not. It's a very generous bet.
Considering he's raced lots of 400s and has a PB of 45.5 it's quite likely he is slow compared to his 4x4 split.
Don't think I did say that mate.
Honestly, I think Van Niekerk could sneak a 1:43.9 in if he wanted. Not saying he will.
Amos races at 400m regularly. He's run 45 high every year for the last six years.
45.5 to 45.9 every year for six years in a row.
Click on progression
My coach Jose Luiz Barbosa ran 45.5 for 400 I'm sure he'd be able to double if granted some rest. He was a machine
Perspective time wrote:
45.5 to 45.9 every year for six years in a row.
Click on progression
https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/botswana/nijel-amos-256997
Some would say that profile proves my point. He runs 45 mid early every year. Those times are all from March-June.
For example his PB is from the 26 April, 45.5. He ran his best 800m of the year two months later at the end of July, 1:42.4.
Put Amos in a 400m in his peak condition i.e. July and August and you really think he can't improve 0.5 seconds? When 400m specialists tend to get over a second quicker from their first race to their peak race every year? And he himself improves by 2/3 seconds over 800m?
ergerg wrote:
In a serious attempt rudisha could break 45, no problem.
He can click off 33s 300s like clockwork in workouts. He can do it.
No he couldn't. He'd have to switch completely to that distance
gahuga wrote:
HardLoper wrote:No he would not. His actual PB is 45.50. His 45.15 was at altitude which is a significant aid at 400m.
Which explains why none of those WRs at Mexico City in 1968 were ratified, because altitude means your time doesn't count. Oh, hang on.
Are you arguing that altitude isn't an aid in the sprints, idiot?
Rudisha may have started at 400 when young, but his serious training has been done at 800. He would absolutely do it if devoted to serious 400 training, even now.
flying start 400m is a huge advantage over starting from blocks, especially when you're a slight 800m runner.
ukathleticcoach wrote:
ergerg wrote:In a serious attempt rudisha could break 45, no problem.
He can click off 33s 300s like clockwork in workouts. He can do it.
No he couldn't. He'd have to switch completely to that distance
Come on, he ran 45.5 in February in 2010. When he was in sub 1:41 shape, mid August 2012, he could definitely break 45.