Not Political: What Is Going On In Chicago?

You have an astounding lack of historical knowledge.

Red Pill Giver wrote:

Oppressive White Guys wrote:

But why are they?.....

"Oppressive white guys" did not create a culture of violence among black Americans. Corruption and violence are the norm in the Caribbean and Africa as well. We will never get anywhere if we continue blaming whitey for everything.

looting politicians + cronies wrote:

Question: is a black person there safer walking around there now (no whites) or then?

Good question. Let's find out --

I am not in support of the racist comments on this thread. I am going to "report" the thread and ask that it be deleted. God bless the good people of Chicago.

Windy City Love wrote:

I am not in support of the racist comments on this thread. I am going to "report" the thread and ask that it be deleted. God bless the good people of Chicago.

Maybe you should "report" whoever published the crime statistics for being racist too.

This thread will probably quickly spiral out of control but I'm going to try and leave it up. Please use the report a post function as we don't read every post on the forums. If we do leave this thread up we will get some racist posts but for sure we will draw the line at racial epithets etc. I don't like seeing blatantly racist posts but sometimes feel it is best to leave them up so people can counter them.

Red Pill Giver wrote:

arandomwalk wrote:

Unfortunately, racism cannot be left out because it is the primary cause. Systemic racism leads to systemic poverty, which leads to systemic violence in communities.

Race is the primary cause, but you're wrong to blame whitey. Poor blacks and Hispanics are more violent than poor whites.

I'll chime in with my 2 cents here.

1) Systematic racism has been a factor in all of America yet does not explain what is different about Chicago.

2) As for the racist guy saying poor blacks and hispanics are more violent than poor Whites, that doesn't explain Chicago either. There are a lot of poor blacks and hispanics in many cities in America that don't have the murders and shootings Chicago is having.

3) It is crazy that chart that shows the murders in Chicago are way down compared to 1970 on. People act like it is way worse now. Is it possible because of better medical people less people are dying in shootings? So shootings are up but murders lower compared to 30 years ago? I just saw some crazy stat that someone is shot every 2 hours in Chicago.

DiscoGary wrote:

arandomwalk wrote:

Unfortunately, racism cannot be left out because it is the primary cause. Systemic racism leads to systemic poverty, which leads to systemic violence in communities.

Nope. Their are no whites there. There are no Republicans there. They are creating their own Hell on earth, bankrolled by us.

If you pay people to avoid work and have kids out of wedlock, and teach them that all their troubles are caused by someone else and that they have no chance to get ahead in life because of racism, then you get Chicago. The same thing is happening to the rest of the country, just at a slower pace.

This is the result of liberal social engineering policies. The proverbial path to Hell paved with good intentions.

Can't avoid politics, ever.

There are no whites in Chicago? 2010 numbers have non-hispanic whites sitting at 45%. Blacks at 32%.

There are also a ton of "republicans" there. Do you know how many hedge fund management companies are along Michigan ave alone? Not to mention, all of the other huge businesses along the water.

wejo wrote:

3) It is crazy that chart that shows the murders in Chicago are way down compared to 1970 on. People act like it is way worse now.

The fact is, our media promotes this belief. Here's another example...

Not a lunatic wrote:

There are no whites in Chicago? 2010 numbers have non-hispanic whites sitting at 45%. Blacks at 32%.

There are also a ton of "republicans" there. Do you know how many hedge fund management companies are along Michigan ave alone? Not to mention, all of the other huge businesses along the water.

I am not backing up the hyperbole of the other guy, but I believe we'll see an exodus of financial firms and exchanges before too long. LaSalle Street is going to be a ghost town.

Chicago leadership is largely Democratic and always has been. Most of the bankers live in surrounding counties, but you're obviously right that conservatives live in Chicago. It is a huge city. But if there was ever a controlled experiment in the effectiveness of Liberal policies, it is Chicago.

Actually, it isn't just Chicago. Murder rates are way up in all major U.S. cities lately, and nobody is quite sure why. They're still way down from their peaks decades ago, but it's a troubling trend.

I happen to be close with some people who prosecute violent drug gangs, and one trend they've seen is that mobile phones and social media have basically thrown gasoline on conflicts. It used to be that people had to be in the same place to start a feud, and most people were generally smart enough to avoid being physically in the wrong territories. Now you have people getting into it on Twitter and Instagram (not so much facebook), posting Youtube rap videos dissing each other, and things get out of hand.

Also, it's very easy for people to locate each other and assemble a crew for a shooting. In a way, it's sort of a trickle-down version of the command and control revolution that happened in the U.S. military in the late 80s and 90s. Technology give you real time intel and real time communication with your entire organization.

Finally, technology has had a cultural impact. It was always hard to raise a kid in these communities where there are powerful cultural elements that glorify violence, but now that stuff is hitting kids 24/7. All of these criminals promote themselves with social media and youtube videos, and kids are exposed to it even in the home.

Also, I think Black Lives Matter has something to do with it. I'm not sympathetic to the notion that police are now afraid to be proactive. Frankly, I think it's a good thing that police now feel like they need to be careful that their actions will be recorded and second guessed by everyone in the nation. But on the other hand, I think that heightened anger and resentment towards law enforcement leads to disrespect for the law. (Which is NOT to suggest that the anger is unjustified, just that it also has negative consequences.)

The massive Cabrini-Green public housing complex was demolished in the late 2000s. The giant housing complex was in disrepair and renovations were not economically viable. The relevant issue is that the buildings were controlled by gangs. Each tower was turf for a different gang. As long as no one crossed any lines, there was no violence between gangs.

When the towers were demolished, the residents were scattered all over the south side of Chicago where gang activity was not very prevalent prior to the closing of the towers. Without the easily delineated boundaries of the towers, the gangs embarked on violent turf wars to try to establish new boundaries for their "turf".

Throw onto that mix the rise of the influence of the ultra violent Mexican drug cartels, and you have the mess we have today. What began as wars between rival Chicago gangs has now evolved into proxy wars for different Mexican drug cartels.

The only way the violence will get back under control is for the gangs to establish their territories and reach a truce. The relationship between residents and CPD has been terrible for decades and shows no sign of improving. Illinois has been an economic basket case since the recession and has shown no sign of any willingness to treat the crime issue like the real crisis that it is and dedicate additional funds for law enforcement and social programs.

90% of the violence in Chicago happens in 10% area of the City. That 10% is filled with uneducated, poverty stricken citizens. Those citizens don't have a voice so the violence is largely ignored.

If this was happening in Lakeview or the gold coast, you better believe things would change...yesterday. So while it would be nice to take race out of this, you really can't, if you really understand the issue.

800 dude wrote:

Actually, it isn't just Chicago. Murder rates are way up in all major U.S. cities lately, and nobody is quite sure why. They're still way down from their peaks decades ago, but it's a troubling trend.

There have been more shooting deaths in Chicago so far tis year than NYC and LA combined.

Also, Chicago entered September on pace to hit the most shooting deaths heading into the month. Ever. Well, at least since they have been keeping track. We are currently at the levels seen decades ago in the 90s drug wars.

Sure the media sensationalizes everything it sees, but this is a real issue and Chicago is falling apart. The bad thing is that it may be abandoned by the only people who can save it.

There are different parts of Chicago. There are no whites, no Republicans, and no hedge fund managers in the south side where the killings are happening.

... and hedge fund managers are Democrats. Trump is trying to increase taxes on them.

Chicagoist wrote:

90% of the violence in Chicago happens in 10% area of the City. That 10% is filled with uneducated, poverty stricken citizens. Those citizens don't have a voice so the violence is largely ignored.

If this was happening in Lakeview or the gold coast, you better believe things would change...yesterday. So while it would be nice to take race out of this, you really can't, if you really understand the issue.

You are correct. It is a damn tragedy. One of the problems is that if this were happening in Lakeview, the residents would support the CPD and work with them to make it stop. In the poverty stricken areas, the CPD are targeted and vilified. I don't know the answer, but if cops cannot do their job there is no hope.

wejo wrote:

. . .

3) It is crazy that chart that shows the murders in Chicago are way down compared to 1970 on. People act like it is way worse now. Is it possible because of better medical people less people are dying in shootings? So shootings are up but murders lower compared to 30 years ago? I just saw some crazy stat that someone is shot every 2 hours in Chicago.

That chart does not seem to show that murders in 2016 are way down compared to 1970 - 2000. Remember that the year is only a bit more than 2/3 of the way through. So Chicago is on pace for 700+ murders this year - very comparable to the bad old days.

Joe for Joe wrote:

wejo wrote:

. . .

3) It is crazy that chart that shows the murders in Chicago are way down compared to 1970 on. People act like it is way worse now. Is it possible because of better medical people less people are dying in shootings? So shootings are up but murders lower compared to 30 years ago? I just saw some crazy stat that someone is shot every 2 hours in Chicago.

That chart does not seem to show that murders in 2016 are way down compared to 1970 - 2000. Remember that the year is only a bit more than 2/3 of the way through. So Chicago is on pace for 700+ murders this year - very comparable to the bad old days.

Between 2003-2011 we lost 4,497 soldiers in the Iraq war. Call it eight years.

Chicago had 3,707 murders and counting over the last eight years.

Iraq War : 562 killed per year

Chicago : 463 murders per year

Basically one section of one city kills as many people as a major war zone.

Rahm Emmanuel is what's going on.

No accident that this huge uptick in violence coincides exactly with his term as mayor.

He is racist garbage.

Good point on 3) wejo. But it's also important to note that these graphs never go back to the 1950's.

Red Pill Giver wrote:

Good point on 3) wejo. But it's also important to note that these graphs never go back to the 1950's.

Actually, they do.