Official Clayton Murphy Apology Thread

Bronze medal, GOD DAM!

pathfinder wrote:

thesimones wrote:

Time is not the determining factor. It's where you come from and what you look like. If you look like the majority of posters on this board and live relatively close to them, you are more likely to be clean - that's just how it works.

So you're saying that the posters that are questioning Murphy's cleanliness are from Africa?

Look, I know what you're saying, but I just want to hear from the doping screamers what the they will allow for improvement.

Allow for improvement?

Okay, I would be less suspicious if he didn't have the greatest and steepest improvement curve in the 800m than literally any other 800m athlete in history. Maybe there are one or two guys with bigger improvements, maybe.

There's my answer.

When Tuka ran 1:43 this board was filled with people calling him a cheater. When Murphy runs 1:42 everybody defends him. What a double standard.

I meant 1:42 for Tuka. Not 1:43.

How about this for a reason to believe: rigorous OOC testing. It is what separates the unlikely from the probable in this game right now. Who gets rigorous OOC testing? Americans, that's who. Anyone else is welcome to step up their game, but it is pretty sad almost everywhere else, including Britain.

I hope he's clean wrote:

pathfinder wrote:

So you're saying that the posters that are questioning Murphy's cleanliness are from Africa?

Look, I know what you're saying, but I just want to hear from the doping screamers what the they will allow for improvement.

Allow for improvement?

Okay, I would be less suspicious if he didn't have the greatest and steepest improvement curve in the 800m than literally any other 800m athlete in history. Maybe there are one or two guys with bigger improvements, maybe.

There's my answer.

When Tuka ran 1:43 this board was filled with people calling him a cheater. When Murphy runs 1:42 everybody defends him. What a double standard.

Brazier's only a freshman and ran 1:43xx and I didn't hear any complaining about that

How much OOC testing did Murphy get before the past few months?

I hope he's clean wrote:

pathfinder wrote:

So you're saying that the posters that are questioning Murphy's cleanliness are from Africa?

Look, I know what you're saying, but I just want to hear from the doping screamers what the they will allow for improvement.

Allow for improvement?

Okay, I would be less suspicious if he didn't have the greatest and steepest improvement curve in the 800m than literally any other 800m athlete in history. Maybe there are one or two guys with bigger improvements, maybe.

There's my answer.

When Tuka ran 1:43 this board was filled with people calling him a cheater. When Murphy runs 1:42 everybody defends him. What a double standard.

I wasn't here for Tuka, and I don't think everyone is defending Murphy, unless you're using multiple screen names.

So Murphy's doping because he has the greatest and steepest improvement curve. After Murphy, who is the next guy with the greatest and steepest improvement curve? He must be a doper, right? Then the next guy? Do you see where this is going? There will always be a guy with the greatest and steepest improvement curve. So my question stands: How much time will you allow?

You're trying to make a point and it's not working.

Great race, and just as surprising as Jenny's big win in 2011.

So why does he have to give up his NCAA eligibility to compete?

Is that good for track in any way?

falconrunner22 wrote:

So why does he have to give up his NCAA eligibility to compete?

Is that good for track in any way?

He had to give up NCAA eligibility because the NCAA does not allow dopers to compete. Dopers have to compete in the Olympics. Murphy found his place and fits in well.

Murphy has 46 second 400 speed. enough said

falconrunner22 wrote:

Great race, and just as surprising as Jenny's big win in 2011.

So why does he have to give up his NCAA eligibility to compete?

Is that good for track in any way?

First, it's good for his bank account.

Second, does giving up NCAA eligibility hurt track in any way? Does anyone who isn't already a diehard fan pay any attention to NCAA track? They pay attention to the Olympics, and what he just did should increase the sport's popularity, if only a smidgeon.

Sick sick sick all of you accusers are sick individuals.

Accusing a great effort and pouring every once of effort out to you means they are a doper. Why?

I have seen teenagers improve 15 seconds in 3 races over a month. They haven't physically changed in 4 weeks does that mean they are dopers?

Screw you all. Go see a psychiatrist because you are pathetic excuses for humans

thesimones wrote:

pathfinder wrote:

What's the allowable number of seconds allowed for someone to improve and not be suspected of doping?

Time is not the determining factor. It's where you come from and what you look like. If you look like the majority of posters on this board and live relatively close to them, you are more likely to be clean - that's just how it works.

Maybe if you read what I wrote, you would see why I think drugs are unlikely.

There are athletes that are coached by coaches that have a history of doping their athletes. The Kenyan team had a coach try to take a test for one of their 800 runners at this Olympics! With that said I don't think Rudisha is cheating unless something around him comes up foul. With that said, there are plenty of Americans I don't trust (Rupp, Jeter, etc)

It is highly unlikely the track coach of a mid-major (most colleges really) would be using PEDs on their athletes. There is no reason for it.

Lots of young athletes see major improvements between 18-22, especially when you leave a HS program with no training partners and bad coaching to a college program. It's not like this drop came at age 30. Nick Symmonds' HS career had him a a DIII school and by the end he was winning Pre (if I remember correctly). Not everyone is a Robby Andrews or Donovan Brazier with the opportunity compete at the highest level in HS.

Run Doctor wrote:

Sick sick sick all of you accusers are sick individuals.

Accusing a great effort and pouring every once of effort out to you means they are a doper. Why?

I have seen teenagers improve 15 seconds in 3 races over a month. They haven't physically changed in 4 weeks does that mean they are dopers?

Screw you all. Go see a psychiatrist because you are pathetic excuses for humans

Is this what you posted in response to the accusations following the 400m WR and the women's 10K WR, or were those accusations all justified?

1:54 in high school wrote:

Welllll wrote:

The Kenyans have had 2 coaches sent home already had a controversial year in terms of PED busts. What has happened at Akron that suggests he would even be able to get PEDs.

What has happened at Akron? A 1:54 high schooler just ran 1:42 for a silver medal. That's what's happened. I'm not convinced.

Have you MET Lee LaBadie? I would drop that much time just to get the f*ck away from his spewing nonsense

I've noticed quite a few people trying to compare Clayton's high school to post college progression as doping.

1. Historically, hundreds of athletes make incredible progressions from high school years to post collegiate years (i.e. strength training, mileage, form, emphasis on recovery), so this should not be a "Surprise."

2. You can't compare.. and I repeat.. can't compare a high school athlete's five year natural progression as "doping" to multiple world records being obliterated by countries who have already been under drug scrutiny over the following months. That would be like an 800 runner just running a 1:38 and everyone being like.. "Man that seems pretty normal that one man has easily broken 1:40 but hey that Ethiopian girl just ran a 29:50 and 5 years ago she was running 31 flat so she's a doper." At least a 1:42 is a realistic time. We all have high reason to believe that these countries are guilty. Last time I checked, Clayton Murphy's college coach wasn't recently found with 60 Syringes in the akron locker room.

3. To all of you who are accusing American's as biased to doping: Go look at the Women's 1500 results from 2012 and tell me again why we have reason to be suspicious of specific countries in distance running.

That response applies to all you idiots with your immediate accusations of doping when someone improves.

Why do you even watch track if you accuse every WR or great performance?

You really are sick and need help.

Welllll wrote:

Murphy is dirty wrote:

yell about the Kenyans being dirty and then Murphy drops 8 seconds in two years for a olympic medal and we're suppose to act like he's the second coming?

nope. not a chance.

The Kenyans have had 2 coaches sent home already had a controversial year in terms of PED busts. What has happened at Akron that suggests he would even be able to get PEDs.

Well, Ohio State won the FBS the other year, and then the Cavs won the NBA championship this year. Ohio versus the world!