No world record for Almaz Ayana because of missing curb

smile wrote:

Doder wrote:

So Huddle's US record is in flux?

If USATF adheres to the same rules as the IAAF then yes.

Does USATF adhere to the rules of the English language?

RIP 10k wrote:

That is terrible wrote:

Field event athletes should never be allowed on the track during running events.

The 10k will not exist much longer. Won't be at 2020 Olympics and after. It's a throwaway event. RIP.

Why do you idiots say this? Support the sport, ru the 10k.

rojo wrote:

That is terrible wrote:

This was the greatest women's 10000 meter race in all of history.

What a shame the record won't count.

Field event athletes should never be allowed on the track during running events.

The inconsiderate athletes and officials who allowed this to happen need to be held completely responsible.

Of course the record will count. Do you know how much extra ground she ran by lapping people? Way more than that curb not being there during the the first 6k.

Common sense says she ran way more than 10k since she lapped people. The curb not being there is way less of an advantage than her having to run on the outsdie of lane 1 once she started lapping people.

The only way the record will be ratified is if the IAAF ignores its own rules. Once the IAAF starts ignoring its own rules when it's convenient for athletes, what's to stop it from ignoring its own rules when it's inconvenient for athletes?

GJK wrote:

You guys must be new at track.

This happens at every major championship during the distance events. The kerb is always removed (I have done it tons in the past as a volunteer!) for the participants of the infield events.

Correct. Partial removal is allowed. No curb at all is not.

smile wrote:

The only way the record will be ratified is if the IAAF ignores its own rules. Once the IAAF starts ignoring its own rules when it's convenient for athletes, what's to stop it from ignoring its own rules when it's inconvenient for athletes?

Wrong, fool. The track has the required kerb. No kerb at all means no records allowed.

Parital Removal wrote:

GJK wrote:

You guys must be new at track.

This happens at every major championship during the distance events. The kerb is always removed (I have done it tons in the past as a volunteer!) for the participants of the infield events.

Correct. Partial removal is allowed. No curb at all is not.

Removal is allowed if cones or flags are put in its place, which didn't happen until after 15 laps.

smile wrote:

The only way the record will be ratified is if the IAAF ignores its own rules. Once the IAAF starts ignoring its own rules when it's convenient for athletes, what's to stop it from ignoring its own rules when it's inconvenient for athletes?

As is pointed out in the TFNews thread you linked, Dibaba's record was set and ratified under similar conditions.

smile wrote:

Parital Removal wrote:

Correct. Partial removal is allowed. No curb at all is not.

Removal is allowed if cones or flags are put in its place, which didn't happen until after 15 laps.

Wrong. The rule is intended for track with no curb at all. Short sections with cones to allow other competition is acceptable.

GJK wrote:

You guys must be new at track.

This happens at every major championship during the distance events. The kerb is always removed (I have done it tons in the past as a volunteer!) for the participants of the infield events.

C'mon, dude!

It is curb, not kerb. Got it? Curb, not kerb.

We use English here. You should, too. For example, when giving a soccer score we say, " One to nothing. " We do not say, "One to nil." If someone from somewhere else wants to say nil, let 'em. We say zero. Also, we say soccer, not futbol or whatever they call it, that is if we talk about it at all.

Just a quick review:

Curb

Zero

Soccer

Parital Removal wrote:

smile wrote:

Removal is allowed if cones or flags are put in its place, which didn't happen until after 15 laps.

Wrong. The rule is intended for track with no curb at all. Short sections with cones to allow other competition is acceptable.

No, not wrong.

If the rule only applied to tracks with no curb, then it wouldn't use the phrase "temporary removal," when referring to the curb because there would be no curb to temporarily remove.

Yes, cones or flags are acceptable replacements for a temporarily removed curb. The problem, as I've stated several times, is that there were no cones or flags for 15 laps.

RULE 160

Track Measurements

1. The inside of the track shall be bordered by a kerb of suitable material that should be colored white, with a height of 50mm to to 65mm and a width of 50mm to 250mm. The kerb on the two strights may be omitted and a white line 50mm wide substituted. If a section of the kerb on a bend has to be temporarily removed for Field Events, its place on the surface beneath shall be marked with a white line 50mm in width and by cones or flags, minimum height 0.20m, placed on the white line so that the edge of the base of the cone or flag pole coincides with the edge of the white line closest to the track, and placed at intervals not exceeding 4m.

You are wrong. You proved what I stated.

http://cdn-s3.si.com/images/huddle-ayana-rio-216.jpg

pogo wrote:

smile wrote:

The only way the record will be ratified is if the IAAF ignores its own rules. Once the IAAF starts ignoring its own rules when it's convenient for athletes, what's to stop it from ignoring its own rules when it's inconvenient for athletes?

As is pointed out in the TFNews thread you linked, Dibaba's record was set and ratified under similar conditions.

Unless there were no cones in place for 3000+ meters of that race then it's not similar.

Parital Removal wrote:

You are wrong. You proved what I stated.

http://cdn-s3.si.com/images/huddle-ayana-rio-216.jpg

Nope.

Not sure what you think that picture proves either. I already know cones were eventually placed and stated as much. The point is that for 15 laps there were no cones, and for the next 2 laps, cones only partially covered the removed curb, which is against the rules.

Smile, you seem like a really fun kinda guy. I bet you're very much in demand at parties.

Of course the record will stand.

This would be on par with disqualifying high school athletes for jewelry or wrong-color underwear. That is, completely stupid, whatever a hyper-technical reading of the rules might say.

I think the track is short. All of the 8 400m heats had people jogging the last 30m and still run 45 flat. No way. At some point it will be determined that this track is short.

Checkers wrote:

Smile, you seem like a really fun kinda guy. I bet you're very much in demand at parties.

The status of the demand for my attendance at parties has no bearing on whether or not what I said is correct.

If you disagree with something I wrote, feel free to point out what specifically is mistaken. I don't want to be wrong any longer than I need to be.

No one is forcing you to read this thread.

Donger wrote:

RIP 10k wrote:

The 10k will not exist much longer. Won't be at 2020 Olympics and after. It's a throwaway event. RIP.

Why do you idiots say this? Support the sport, ru the 10k.

Ditch it in favor of Team XC

smile wrote:

Parital Removal wrote:

You are wrong. You proved what I stated.

http://cdn-s3.si.com/images/huddle-ayana-rio-216.jpg

Nope.

Not sure what you think that picture proves either. I already know cones were eventually placed and stated as much. The point is that for 15 laps there were no cones, and for the next 2 laps, cones only partially covered the removed curb, which is against the rules.

The photo shows Huddle with Ayana so it was clearly taken before lap 15.