Radcliffe "The WR set in 1993, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And Ayana has absolutely blitzed that time."

rozi wrote:

Paula Radcliffe, Marathon world record holder

"I'm not sure that I can understand that. When I saw the world record set in 1993, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And Ayana has absolutely blitzed that time."

There is a difference between when 8 Chinese female runners who all start running incredible times after there has never been a good Chinese runner and the Ethiopian runners. The Chinese stopped as abruptly as the started after Chinese officials would not allow them to go to Sydney because of doping infractions within the country.

On the other hand, Ethiopia is the most celebrated LD running country in history where women are just starting to widely participate in sports. Wait until the next 10 years and you will see more from Ethiopia.

One thing that made this WR start to look soft in this race was that these 14:12-14:20 women were paced to 5000m in 14:46 by Alice Aprot (the first sight of whom at the starting line made my younger daughter say, why is a man allowed in the race?), and they had never had such a good pacer. Ayana was running very easy at that point and soon gapped Aprot and the rest of the field, but they should all thank the combination of Aprot and Ayana for running such brilliant times. But when Huddle runs an American record (which I was sure she was in shape to do, given her recent performances) and is gapped by a minute, with a 14:31 close by Ayana, roughly 11 seconds faster than the U.S. 5000m record!, it is obvious that doping is going on. We know about the Meldonium that was rife in Ethiopian athletics--at one point, nine tested positive--we'd didn't learn all those names, and many more tested positive after that but we didn't get the names. We know that there have been Ethiopian women dopers running for other countries. We know that they have no testing facilities in the country. We know that the coach of Dibaba's sister had large quantities of drugs and that T. Dibaba was visiting her sister at Aden's camp when the drugs were found. We know that Ayana destroyed G. Dibaba, the 3:50 1500m runner (this is how good that record is: try running a 61, then another 61 for 2:02 at the 800m, now you can rest a little with a 62, but your pacer already dropped out because she couldn't make it to 800m quite at that pace, she could only manage about 2:04 (as in Dibaba's record), you're at 3:04 now, you have a 46 second 300m, roughly 61.3 pace, to get you home in 3:50. So, that's essentially going a bit over 61 pace per lap for 1500m.

And that was the woman that was destroyed by Ayana in the last 3k of a 5k in Beijing in 8:19 or 8:20 last year.

rozi wrote:

Paula Radcliffe, Marathon world record holder

"I'm not sure that I can understand that. When I saw the world record set in 1993, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And Ayana has absolutely blitzed that time."

TrackBot! VDOT 2:15:25 Marathon

VDOT for 2:15:25 42.195km: 74.7

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 02:15:19

Half marathon: 01:04:35

15K: 00:44:56

10K: 00:29:19

5K: 00:14:06

3Mi: 00:13:35

2Mi: 00:08:45

3200m: 00:08:42

3K: 00:08:06

1Mi: 00:04:05

1600m: 00:04:04

1500m: 00:03:47

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TrackBot wrote:

VDOT for 2:15:25 42.195km: 74.7

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 02:15:19

Half marathon: 01:04:35

15K: 00:44:56

10K: 00:29:19

5K: 00:14:06

3Mi: 00:13:35

2Mi: 00:08:45

3200m: 00:08:42

3K: 00:08:06

1Mi: 00:04:05

1600m: 00:04:04

1500m: 00:03:47

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Ha! Radcliffe has a brain disorder.

Paula,Just because you didn't do it doesn't mean it's impossible. The record was weak. I annotated Trackbot's reply with the current WRs for the most frequently raced distances:

TrackBot wrote:

VDOT for 2:15:25 42.195km: 74.7

Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

Marathon: 02:15:19 [WR: 2:15:25 - P. Radcliffe]

Half marathon: 01:04:35 [WR: 1:05:09 - F. Kiplagat]

10K: 00:29:19 [WR: 29:17 - A. Ayana]

5K: 00:14:06 [WR: 14:11 - T. Dibaba]

1500m: 00:03:47 [WR: 3:50 - G. Dibaba]

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72ozPorterhouse wrote:

Zlatan wrote:

The old WR was way overrated. Nobody ever questions Dibaba's more impressive 14:11

Agreed. Women like Ayana or Tirunesh who can run around 14:10 should be able to run at least 29 mid. Tirunesh is past her prime and just ran 29:40

Nobody would bat an eye at a college dude who can run low 14s and 29:20. If you can run 14:30s you should be able to run around 30 flat

But Tirunesh is pretty much a known doper, living and training with a whole bunch of known dopers......

so what you are saying is paula ran 2:15 which on everyone's tables is the most insane record, then ayana pretty much matches paulas record via the tables and she is dirty?

look at the tables and see for yourself, if all those records are from dopers and paulas is the oldest one on the books now what does that tell you about paula????

what does paula think when she sees that statistical numbers and data?

and i can bet you rojo and wejos inheritance that when paulas WR is broken she will be the first person to scream "DOPER!!!!"

This article kinda convinces me that Paula was clean. I've taken a couple statistics classes and the math works out. I'm thinking this same situation applies to Ayana too - such strong endurance that she only slows slightly as the distance gets longer. Also supported by the lack of a strong kick and bad short distance speed but oodles and oodles of strength.

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rozi wrote:

Paula Radcliffe, Marathon world record holder

"I'm not sure that I can understand that. When I saw the world record set in 1993, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And Ayana has absolutely blitzed that time."

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When someone makes a claim ("Paula was doping") it is on them to prove it, not on someone else to disprove it. For example, I can't claim "There is an elephant in orbit just beyond Neptune" then insist that you must disprove it or accept that it is true. Out of curiosity though, is there some proof I (or anyone) could provide that you would accept? What?