Memo today from IOC asked athletes to stop calling other athletes dopers

FINA is as FINA does wrote:

As for Efimova, FINA found (6.20) that there couldn't be any serious suspicion that she intended to dope with 7-keto DHEA, but rather ingested it erroneously (negligence) on the GNC clerk's advice. They also found her testimony "credible" with "corroborating evidence" on the matter, saying she had "no significant fault or negligence" but they had to follow the rules and ban her (now what are the odds that someone from a different country would have the "rules followed" in such a case?). They conclude that she had "a lack of intent to cheat or gain competitive advantage", but the USAers still call her a cheat for no reason.

Efimova trains in USA too so if she is doping she is probably on that top stuff the American swimmers use

Yes, I agree. It's not "USA Swimming" that's the drug dispensary (who would refuse aid to a Russian), but probably among coaches and connections. Guess it's pretty much a "must" nowadays for Chinese/Russian swimmers to go abroad if they want the top drugs (undetectable). Maybe Hungarians too.

No - it is not "no reason" when she has twice failed a drug test. Everyone has to make up a story afterwards. Do you think people are going to say "yep - I tried to cheat." Look at the nonsense the USA comes up with in terms of the masseuse sabotage. I don't know who is worse - the people who make up that stuff or the people who believe it. Anyone with half a brain would not believe an elite Olympic athlete is going to take advice from a GNC store clerk making $10/ hour vs coaches/ doctors/ trainers. They have to monitor everything they put into their body. People who believe that nonsense probably do so because they could see themselves making similar types of "mistakes" but those people aren't Olympic athletes and don't live like they do.

FINA is as FINA does wrote:

As for Efimova, FINA found (6.20) that there couldn't be any serious suspicion that she intended to dope with 7-keto DHEA, but rather ingested it erroneously (negligence) on the GNC clerk's advice. They also found her testimony "credible" with "corroborating evidence" on the matter, saying she had "no significant fault or negligence" but they had to follow the rules and ban her (now what are the odds that someone from a different country would have the "rules followed" in such a case?). They conclude that she had "a lack of intent to cheat or gain competitive advantage", but the USAers still call her a cheat for no reason.

Troll or dumb?

FINA is as FINA does wrote:

As for Efimova, FINA found (6.20) that there couldn't be any serious suspicion that she intended to dope with 7-keto DHEA, but rather ingested it erroneously (negligence) on the GNC clerk's advice. They also found her testimony "credible" with "corroborating evidence" on the matter, saying she had "no significant fault or negligence" but they had to follow the rules and ban her (now what are the odds that someone from a different country would have the "rules followed" in such a case?). They conclude that she had "a lack of intent to cheat or gain competitive advantage", but the USAers still call her a cheat for no reason.

The bottom line is, when a country's entire federation or government is found to be systematically corrupt and evading the drug rules, the only response can be to ban that country and all of its athletes from international competition until they can demonstrate to international inspectors they have cleaned up their act, even though there inevitably will be clean athletes from that country who will lose out.

And even that probably won't work in the long run in this case, since without the full cooperation of Putin and his corrupt government that runs on payola, and that obviously approved of the Russian cheating, there can never be a reasonable level of compliance. But the IOC will never agree to booting out large countries permanently and running a smaller but cleaner Olympics, since there is too much money to be made. That's why the current WADA system is dooming to failure.

Act Now before Too Late! wrote:

L. King and Mack Aussie should be stripped of all medals for being against Olympic principles. In both cases, it was clear and officially determined that Efimova and Sun DID NOT intend to cheat, but just made professional naive mistakes.

Add Phelps to that list.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but has the basic standard on this stuff changed? None of the extenuating circumstances matter, right? The bottom line has always been that athletes are responsible for what they put in their bodies. Period. What the supposed intent was is irrelevant. Supposed bad advice from a sales clerk is irrelevant. If an athlete tests positive for a banned substance, they have been caught using a banned substance. Not to even mention the weight of it happening twice.

If I'm wrong, please explain and enlighten.

Otherwise, if the goal is to crack down and clean up sport, then please stop making irrelevant excuses for doping.

You are wrong.

You refuse to be enlightened.

I agree that King and Horton crossed the line. Just shut up and compete. Instead they chose to hurt competitors in a selfish and rude manner. Total lack of respect for the Olympic brand. I understand being mad at Efimova because she was not banned despite meldonium positives. But they did not acknowledge the athletes right to compete in a respectful manner. How would King and Horton like to be harassed for a past indiscretion of their own? Perhaps they should write a new rule that anyone who attempts to provide others with a negative Olympic experience be stripped of any medals they win!

goudas7 wrote:

I agree that King and Horton crossed the line. Just shut up and compete. Instead they chose to hurt competitors in a selfish and rude manner. Total lack of respect for the Olympic brand. I understand being mad at Efimova because she was not banned despite meldonium positives. But they did not acknowledge the athletes right to compete in a respectful manner. How would King and Horton like to be harassed for a past indiscretion of their own? Perhaps they should write a new rule that anyone who attempts to provide others with a negative Olympic experience be stripped of any medals they win!

After everything we've learned about the IOC and WADA in the last few months, I'd say they're the ones doing damage to the Olympic brand.

If those organizations weren't so corrupt and inept, the burden of calling out drug cheats wouldn't fall on the athletes who have to compete against them.

Train in USA/Australia, why? wrote:

Yes, I agree. It's not "USA Swimming" that's the drug dispensary (who would refuse aid to a Russian), but probably among coaches and connections. Guess it's pretty much a "must" nowadays for Chinese/Russian swimmers to go abroad if they want the top drugs (undetectable). Maybe Hungarians too.

But, USA Swimming, if they are collecting blood tests at all, knows exactly who is/isn't doping. That's a fundamental feature of the ADAMS system. Like the IAAF scandal, they know exactly how clean their athletes are.

So, USA Swimming/FINA has the most powerful role in regulating doping. Are coaches part of the problem? Sure. Athletes? Sure. Like every other IOC sport, they are enabling doping by permitting it with little enforcement consistency.

Central to all this is that a positive does not mean a cheat . You have to have a guiltymind to cheat ; ie the intention.

You may not be convinced that there is no guilty mind but to to convince CAS if this is actually very very hard .And , the concept of strict liability tends to make the question irrelevant.But the WADA has always confused strict and absolute liability .

Birmingham wrote:

Central to all this is that a positive does not mean a cheat . You have to have a guiltymind to cheat ; ie the intention.

You may not be convinced that there is no guilty mind but to to convince CAS if this is actually very very hard .And , the concept of strict liability tends to make the question irrelevant.But the WADA has always confused strict and absolute liability .

This is one crazy post. Are you translating for Coach Canova? Does the IOC produce message content that you post?

Abrahamson posted something quite similar and just as bizarre as this over at his blog.

goudas7 wrote:

I agree that King and Horton crossed the line. Just shut up and compete. Instead they chose to hurt competitors in a selfish and rude manner. Total lack of respect for the Olympic brand. I understand being mad at Efimova because she was not banned despite meldonium positives. But they did not acknowledge the athletes right to compete in a respectful manner. How would King and Horton like to be harassed for a past indiscretion of their own? Perhaps they should write a new rule that anyone who attempts to provide others with a negative Olympic experience be stripped of any medals they win!

In the US, and likely every country, athletes who cross the line, and slur competitors or teammates, get dismissed from the team. The same rules need to be applied here.

Pop pop

Do you understand what strict liability means and mens rea . If not get back to the retard school.

goudas7 wrote:

I agree that King and Horton crossed the line. Just shut up and compete. Instead they chose to hurt competitors in a selfish and rude manner. Total lack of respect for the Olympic brand. I understand being mad at Efimova because she was not banned despite meldonium positives. But they did not acknowledge the athletes right to compete in a respectful manner. How would King and Horton like to be harassed for a past indiscretion of their own? Perhaps they should write a new rule that anyone who attempts to provide others with a negative Olympic experience be stripped of any medals they win!

I watched the swimming with a very patriotic women friend, and even she was disgusted with King and Horton, calling them bad sports and disgraceful.

Anyone showing such bad sportsmanship should be banned from the sport and stripped of any medals, because they are not deserving of them.

*woman friend

goudas7 wrote:

I agree that King and Horton crossed the line. Just shut up and compete. Instead they chose to hurt competitors in a selfish and rude manner. Total lack of respect for the Olympic brand. I understand being mad at Efimova because she was not banned despite meldonium positives. But they did not acknowledge the athletes right to compete in a respectful manner. How would King and Horton like to be harassed for a past indiscretion of their own? Perhaps they should write a new rule that anyone who attempts to provide others with a negative Olympic experience be stripped of any medals they win!

Are you for real?

Perhaps you and some of the others who object to calling out drug cheats are drug cheats yourselves...

F*ck the IOC! They only care about having as many big names, from as many countries as possible attending the Olympics - regardless of how dirty the athletes may be. They allow biological males to compete against women without treatment because it will generate headlines.

I haven't watched a minute of these Olympics thus far, and don't intend to start, even though I love watching swimming and track. I won't watch until I'm convinced that the governing bodies are committed to fair sport.

Michael Phelps took note of that IOC memo. And posed in a selfie with 2x convicted doper Justin Gatlin

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