Jakob Ingebritsen 15y, 3.42.44 on 1500 today

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Do American's have to convert

Do American's what?

Apostrophe Crime's wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Do American's have to convert

Do American's what?

You know what he meant. Answer the questions he raised rather than nitpicking.

This is absolutely UNFREAKINREAL! This is on par with the greatest age graded track performances of all time. Boltesque

Doesn't bode well for long term greatness though. Speaks to premature developement

According to NRK Jakob is saying he can run faster.

The goal for the season is to get under 3.40.

https://www.nrk.no/sport/jakob-_15_-knuste-eigen-verdsrekord_-_-eg-har-meir-a-ga-pa-1.12990760

I do not expect him to run any mile race. I understand that getting under 4 as a high school runner is big here in the USA. But Jakob is not American and all important races are over 1500.

Bislett has had the mile mostly of historic reasons, it was a good way to get good English runners in the early 80s :-)

A mile is 8 times the length of a medieval English peasant's plowed field. That length is determined by how far the peasant's ox can pull the plow before it gets tired and has to rest.

The Norwegians went to England to take away the English peasant's food. They didn't care how far his ox could go, they just killed and ate it.

Karma Police wrote:

he is clearly properly trained, probably doing adult workouts.

By the photos, he is Tanner stage 5 - taller than one of his brothers and fully developed.

It will be interesting to see how much he improves. With teenagers who are already training like adults, will they only have small incremental adult improvements? Does he still have some of the big improvements you get at 15 left?

Should a 15yo be training that much?

All remains to be seen.

Do you think he's taller than Henrik, who's about 5'11? It doesn't seem that way to me, based on the other competitors in the video I'd guess he's 5'8. Plus his other brother Filip appears about 6'2, so Jakob could have quite a lot of development left.

He's obviously much better trained than most junior competitors, but he's almost running world class times already, so even a few years of "incremental" improvements would yield some great times. And what if he's actually more of a 5k guy?

Give me a break. Does anyone really believe he is running these times without PEDs?

The scandinavian countries are renowned for PED use for athletics:

Paavo Nurmi (finland and who used bull testosterone in the 1920s), Lasse Viren, all the biathletes who have been caught

My gene pool isn't kenyan. We don't produce natural athletes like this.

THis kid is a 4:20 miler on microdoses of EPO and test.

Look at his forward lean, I'd say that accounts for him looking short. He is probably 5'10" from what I see.

He'll either be the next big star or flop badly (or both, like alan webb)

run boy run wrote:

He'll either be the next big star or flop badly (or both, like alan webb)

Webb flopped?? AR record-holder, 3X Nat'l 1500m champ, World Champ top 10 2X, winner in multiple GP races. Not flopping no matter who you are.

Yes, for 15.

In 99 a Japanese kid ran 3:38.49 at age 17.

If he breaks that in 2 years he will really be on the radar.

Whilst the mile is prestigious, I do think the US posters here value it more highly than most other nations.

The prestige really surrounds olympic distance races, so his performance in 1500m is the most important measure. Mile is talismanic, but is going to remain a novelty distance, despite its history.

Sayonara wrote:

Yes, for 15.

In 99 a Japanese kid ran 3:38.49 at age 17.

If he breaks that in 2 years he will really be on the radar.

Kiyoharo Sato ran that at age 18, 3 days before his 19th birthday for the National Japanese Record,

Here is the UNDER 18 list, meaning an Athlete can NOT turn 18 in the Calendar year of the Performance. Jakob has the rest of this season and all of 2017 to be on this list.

Jim Ryun is #22 at 3:39.00

Kiyoharu Sato

hansenbjorg wrote:

Give me a break. Does anyone really believe he is running these times without PEDs?

The scandinavian countries are renowned for PED use for athletics:

Paavo Nurmi (finland and who used bull testosterone in the 1920s), Lasse Viren, all the biathletes who have been caught

My gene pool isn't kenyan. We don't produce natural athletes like this.

THis kid is a 4:20 miler on microdoses of EPO and test.

Erm, you do realise that both of the athletes you mention are Finnish, which is not considered part of Scandinavia?

The Scandinavian, Nordic and Northern European countries have a long and established history of producing tall, strong, muscular athletes with a fair proportion of short twitch fibres, and also the longer, leaner distance type athlete.

The Ingebrigtsen family have a strong training set up and a great deal of established support for developing athletes. Traditionally, Norwegian children travelled long distances to school, on foot or on ski and furthermore developed traits of hardiness, which is one of the most important criteria for a strong psyche likely to lead to sporting success.

Claiming everyone else is doping is not generally recognised as a psychologically strong sporting trait!

douglas burke wrote:

Here is the UNDER 18 list, meaning an Athlete can NOT turn 18 in the Calendar year of the Performance. Jakob has the rest of this season and all of 2017 to be on this list.

http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/men/u18

Why in the world is U18 defined in such a stupid way, rather than by actual age? Someone who is 17 and a week could be ineligible to have their performance count, whereas another person who turns 18 tomorrow could be eligible, depending on the calendar date on which you happen to have been born. Gives some people almost a year more than others to make it onto the list. It makes sense for team sport participation where you need to draw an arbitrary line anyway, but not for individual record purposes.

I noticed there also appears to be a much higher than expected number of East Africans with December birthdays, especially in light of the fact that these athletes would be younger on average and thus ostensibly less likely to appear on the list.

Of 30 Kenyans (not counting duplicate performances, 8 were apparently born in December. Assuming that there is no advantage to being born in any particular month, the chances of this happening are about 1 in 400. And if anything, one would expect there to be fewer, not more, athletes born in later months. Just saying.

He should run the mile! Bring it back!

kartelite wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

Here is the UNDER 18 list, meaning an Athlete can NOT turn 18 in the Calendar year of the Performance. Jakob has the rest of this season and all of 2017 to be on this list.

http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middle-long/1500-metres/outdoor/men/u18

Why in the world is U18 defined in such a stupid way, rather than by actual age? Someone who is 17 and a week could be ineligible to have their performance count, whereas another person who turns 18 tomorrow could be eligible, depending on the calendar date on which you happen to have been born. Gives some people almost a year more than others to make it onto the list. It makes sense for team sport participation where you need to draw an arbitrary line anyway, but not for individual record purposes.

That's how ages are done and have been for years. January birthday helps.

An Aussie kid ran 14.15 or so at 15. What's better? The 1500. It's 2.9% off the Olympic qualifier. Tyrese Cooper is the same age group (2000 born) and closer to the qualifier.