3:37.75 for Awad at Swarthmore. 0.01 off the NCAA lead

Seabizkit wrote:

Torrence announcing himself as a pretty solid contender for the Oly team here.

1- Centro

2- Andrews

3- Torrence

^ I could see it happening; this plus 13:19 at Peyton leave him looking pretty good.

I'd guess it's down to him, Blankenship, Manzano and maybe Merber. Torrence is actually getting out there and performing ATM while those others have been fairly quiet in 2016 -well except for Blankenship I guess, although a failed 10k attempt and a 7:53 3k don't exactly hold up to Torrences' races- .

Then again Manzano has been the safe bet since like 2007 sooo...

Are you crazy?

Merber is out with a stress fracture I believe.

You are forgetting Andrew Wheating.

Here are the guys with the standard:

12 3:30.40 Matthew Centrowitz

17 3:32.97 Evan Jager

20 3:34.13 Garrett Heath

25 3:34.54 Kyle Merber

33 3:35.36 Cory Leslie

36 3:35.48 Ben Blankenship

37 3:35.52 Robby Andrews

52 3:36.16 Leo Manzano

Yorks could get it if he was in the right race. Everyone else might as well not run the Trials. who else could be a factor?? Is there someon else.

rojo wrote:

thisguy wrote:

Awad is better at the 1500.

No. I've never ever believed this.

He may be better now but he's not going to be on a US world champs team at 1500. If he's still competing in 2020, he'll be a 5000 guy. A guy with a listed 800 pb of 1:53 will not compete internationally at 1500.

Obviously, he could go a bunch better than 1:53 at this point, but Rojo's right, Tommy's gonna be an excellent 5000 guy in a few years.

Exactly how good, I don't know, but he keeps blowing by all expectations.

Really impressive.

He'll get under 13:20 by next summer, I'd think. Maybe 13:10 later on? He's looking pretty comparable to McGorty now.

(Very nice result for Callahan, too. Ivy guys looking really good.

Looking forward to seeing what Merber and Cabral have in store, when the time comes.)

sp2 wrote:

(Very nice result for Callahan, too. Ivy guys looking really good.

Looking forward to seeing what Merber and Cabral have in store, when the time comes.)

So "peter callaghan" IS "peter callahan"?

Is it short?

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7295842

So is Leer with Nike or not?

Malbec for brunch wrote:

3:36.20 is the OG Q number

That was the 2015 Worlds qualifier. Rio is 3:36.00, so Torrance just missed it.

Wheating hasn't run sub-3:37 since 2012. .

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rojo wrote:

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Award is progressing very well. Must be a school record...

School record?

Not really. While he already had the 1500 school record coming in for the 1500, it amazes me how people have no idea of history. 42 years ago, in 1974, Dennis Fikes ran a 3:55.0 mile for Penn.

A 3:55.0 mile converts to 3:37.56 for 1500. Now if Fikes times was a hand time, they'd basically be equal to each other. So Awad = Fikes from 42 years ago.

Rojo, conversion factors are not empirical, they are subjective, therefore you cannot say for certain Awad = Fikes. For casual conversation, sure, they're equal. I'm even ignoring the error in significant digits.

rojo wrote:

Not really. While he already had the 1500 school record coming in for the 1500, it amazes me how people have no idea of history. 42 years ago, in 1974, Dennis Fikes ran a 3:55.0 mile for Penn.

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Not to pick on you, Rojo, but there's no reason for you to be amazed at 42 year-old historical trivia that you, yourself, probably didn't know until your late twenties.

How fast did Fikes run in high school... and where? Did you know that?

so it seems wrote:

Malbec for brunch wrote:

3:36.20 is the OG Q number

That was the 2015 Worlds qualifier. Rio is 3:36.00, so Torrance just missed it.

Wheating hasn't run sub-3:37 since 2012. .

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You are incorrect. The relaxed the standards in December.

You ask me if I'm crazy and then mention Wheating as a contender.

I'm just gonna let that one sit.

Anyone can do anything "in the right race"

Jager, Merber, and Leslie won't even be running the 15 at the trials. Now that you mention it, won't Heath be running the 5000, not the 1500 at USA's?

When has Garrett Heath ever beat Torrence? The two have even gone head to head once so far this outdoor season and Torrence won (13:19 vs 13:23 @ Peyton).

What point were you trying to make again?

malmo wrote:

rojo wrote:

Not really. While he already had the 1500 school record coming in for the 1500, it amazes me how people have no idea of history. 42 years ago, in 1974, Dennis Fikes ran a 3:55.0 mile for Penn.

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Not to pick on you, Rojo, but there's no reason for you to be amazed at 42 year-old historical trivia that you, yourself, probably didn't know until your late twenties.

How fast did Fikes run in high school... and where? Did you know that?

No I didn't know it when i was younger. The Internet didn't exist. Much harder to know it back then.

Malbec is a grape that grows well in South America and the Malbec for brunch post seems correct to me.

10 dec 15 1500m standard changed to 3:36.20

Has a change slipped by me or is you correction not correct?

malmo It seems like every time I see Dean Meminger on NY1 News I think of Dennis Fikes.WiT

malmo wrote:

How fast did Fikes run in high school... and where? Did you know that?

rojo wrote:

so it seems wrote:

That was the 2015 Worlds qualifier. Rio is 3:36.00, so Torrance just missed it.

Wheating hasn't run sub-3:37 since 2012. .

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You are incorrect. The relaxed the standards in December.

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/12/66-americans-pick-olympic-standards-iaaf-eases-standards-17-events-usatf-change-marathon-trials-standard-accordingly/

Thanks for update. And good for Torrance. I'm sure he knew he had it.

sp2 wrote:

He'll get under 13:20 by next summer, I'd think. Maybe 13:10 later on? He's looking pretty comparable to McGorty now.

(Very nice result for Callahan, too. Ivy guys looking really good.

Looking forward to seeing what Merber and Cabral have in store, when the time comes.)

You ivy leaguers always amaze me. Get over yourselves. Do u think a guy running 337.8 in perfect conditions with an Olympic medallist rabbiting means he's as good as McGorty and is going to break 13:10?

McGorty is a year younger than Awad, was the NCAA runner-up in the 3k and has run 13:24.

As for 13:10, if Adam Goucher never did it, this guy clearly isn't. Awad's never scored at NCAAs in the 3k or 5k has he?

Awad is probably not even the best Ivy guy in the last few 2 years. Geohegan - the former Dartmouth guy - ran 13:17 last year.

state schooler wrote:

You ivy leaguers always amaze me. Get over yourselves. Do u think a guy running 337.8 in perfect conditions with an Olympic medallist rabbiting means he's as good as McGorty and is going to break 13:10?

McGorty is a year younger than Awad, was the NCAA runner-up in the 3k and has run 13:24.

As for 13:10, if Adam Goucher never did it, this guy clearly isn't. Awad's never scored at NCAAs in the 3k or 5k has he?

Awad is probably not even the best Ivy guy in the last few 2 years. Geohegan - the former Dartmouth guy - ran 13:17 last year.

dude what do you have against Awad? Who cares if he is or isn't better than McGorty right now. We will most likely find out soon enough. Obviously McGorty's 3:53.9 is very good, better than Awad's 3:37.8 by about 1.5sec. Nobody said Awad is breaking 13:10 any time soon, but it's not unreasonable to think he could do it in the future.

and the Adam Goucher comment is absolutely ridiculous. Who says that becaude Goucher couldn't do it, Awad can't either? Zero logic

A few random things from the meet since I was there. I'll post this in both threads.

1) Race Videos:

Women's 1500:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-_KmJxBAyg&feature=youtu.be

Men's Elite 1500:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMPS47TZDSg

Men's Top Non-Pro 1500 (rabbited by Nick Willis):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtv2ZhNyecY&feature=youtu.be

*I wish I could have got some interviews, but I was on a tight schedule and didn't have time.

2) W1500: If you watch the women's 1500 video you'll see that Ajee Wilson rabbited Marielle Hall up until 1 lap to go and Hall had a huge gap on Kate Murphy. I hand time it at about 3.75 seconds at the bell and then Murphy closed in 66.0 to just nip Hall. Great race.

3) Torrence: I was pretty impressed by David Torrence's move to get the win in the final 50m. He was boxed in and had to go around everyone to get the win (and the Olympic standard). *Video set to start at the finish; Torrence in 4th place:

https://youtu.be/fMPS47TZDSg?t=3m18s

4) Lee Emanuel: I don't think it's been mentioned, but tough break for Lee Emanuel. He missed the standard by .09 today and this is after missing it by only .15 last year. This is an outdoor PB for him, but he ran 3:35 last year in indoors 3-months before the qualification window started. That's just rough luck.

5) Nick Willis is in great shape and a class act: Before he rabbitted the pro race, Willis had rabbited the top collegiate race which was won by Iona's Liam Dee in 3:42. Willis took them through 1 to go (I didn't get a watch on it, but I'm pretty sure they were about 2-flat at 800 and if they ran 3:42 that sounds about right).

Then 30-minutes later (there were 5 more sections of 1500s) he rabbited the pro race, but the surprising part to me as I watched was that he went all the way through 200m to go. I expected him to drop with 400 to go and then surely at the 1200 mark, but he just kept going and at that point I thought he was going to finish the race. Now in retrospect it's obvious to me he really was trying to help his countrymen get the Olympic standard. Julian Matthews did and Hamish Carson just missed by .05. Running 1100m at 4-flat pace and then running 1300m of a 3:36 race 30minutes later (doing all the leading in both races) is a pretty solid workout to say the least.

6) Robby Andrews Sighting: Robby Andrews was at the meet hanging out as a spectator. That's a perk of already having the standard from last year or indoors. You don't have to be chasing fast times in May.

Awad=A God

Place Athlete Affiliation Time Sec (pl)

1 David Torrence Hoka One One 3:36.06 1 (1)

2 Julian Matthews Saucony 3:36.14 1 (2)

3 Hamish Carson Nike NZ 3:36.25 1 (3)

4 Lee Emmanuel Hoka One 3:36.29 1 (4)

5 Thomas Awad Penn 3:37.75 1 (5)

6 Eric Speakman New Zealand 3:37.85 1 (6)

7 Peter Callaghan Unattached 3:37.87 1 (7)

8 Nate Brannen Saucony 3:38.04 1 (8)

9 Will Lear Nike 3:39.09 1 (9)

10 Dusty Solis Big Bear TC 3:39.32 1 (10)

11 Garett O'toole Unattached 3:39.34 1 (11)

12 Daniel Castle Unattached 3:40.36 1 (12)

13 Craig Huffer Australia 3:41.43 1 (13)

DNF Nick Willis (Rabbitt)

A few random things from the meet since I was there. I'll post this in both threads.

1) Race Videos:

Women's 1500:

Men's Elite 1500:

Men's Top Non-Pro 1500 (rabbited by Nick Willis):

*I wish I could have got some interviews, but I was on a tight schedule and didn't have time.

2) W1500: If you watch the women's 1500 video you'll see that Ajee Wilson rabbited Marielle Hall up until 1 lap to go and Hall had a huge gap on Kate Murphy. I hand time it at about 3.75 seconds at the bell and then Murphy closed in 66.0 to just nip Hall. Great race.

3) Torrence: I was pretty impressed by David Torrence's move to get the win in the final 50m. He was boxed in and had to go around everyone to get the win (and the Olympic standard). *Video set to start at the finish; Torrence in 4th place:

4) Lee Emanuel: I don't think it's been mentioned, but tough break for Lee Emanuel. He missed the standard by .09 today and this is after missing it by only .15 last year. This is an outdoor PB for him, but he ran 3:35 last year in indoors 3-months before the qualification window started. That's just rough luck.

5) Nick Willis is in great shape and a class act: Before he rabbitted the pro race, Willis had rabbited the top collegiate race which was won by Iona's Liam Dee in 3:42. Willis took them through 1 to go (I didn't get a watch on it, but I'm pretty sure they were about 2-flat at 800 and if they ran 3:42 that sounds about right).

Then 30-minutes later (there were 5 more sections of 1500s) he rabbited the pro race, but the surprising part to me as I watched was that he went all the way through 200m to go. I expected him to drop with 400 to go and then surely at the 1200 mark, but he just kept going and at that point I thought he was going to finish the race. Now in retrospect it's obvious to me he really was trying to help his countrymen get the Olympic standard. Julian Matthews did and Hamish Carson just missed by .05. Running 1100m at 4-flat pace and then running 1300m of a 3:36 race 30minutes later (doing all the leading in both races) is a pretty solid workout to say the least.

6) Robby Andrews Sighting: Robby Andrews was at the meet hanging out as a spectator. That's a perk of already having the standard from last year or indoors. You don't have to be chasing fast times in May.