You have the link for that video? What were the specialities of the other athletes?
You have the link for that video? What were the specialities of the other athletes?
Sorry, I should have posted the link earlier. It's at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BphkaZJue4
Van Damme's strongest competition in the sprint was a 400m hurdler from Belgium (in retrospect, it says something about VD's speed that he defeated the hurdler, as VD had only recently dropped down from even longer distances). The others were soccer players and the like.
Guy Drut was in the overall competition, but he wasn't allowed to run in the 100, which he would have won with ease.
The entire competition is fun to watch, by the way. The "gymnastics" competition is especially cool, and there is another running event, as well as an obstacle course.
Former 1500m Olympic bronze medallist Rui Silva ran an 11.3 100m from blocks a few years ago I believe.
rcs fan wrote:
rupp-certified salaadbar wrote:Of elite 800 men, Juantorena was pretty much the fastest ever with a 44.2
General rules of thumb (2x200 + 3.0s = 400) would guess about 20.5 for a 44-low guy, 21-flat at absolute worst (that would assume an 800 guy has less decay from 200 to 400 speed. But that it would be very optimistic to think a 21.0 guy can do 44.0:
2x20.5 + 3.0 = 44.0
2x21.0 + 2.0 = 44.0
100x2 is often used for a 200 estimate, but that has significant +/- depending on the runner's start and acceleration, which is going to be worse for an 800 runner than the sprinters whose times are usually used. It's very unlikely an 800 guy does 100 from the blocks in less than half his 200 time.
Overall, some speed-oriented elite 800 guys who could start should be able to break 11.0 FAT (11.0x2= 22.0, 22.0x2 + 3 = 47.0).
Sub-10.5 would be extremely rare, requiring 45-flat 400 ability AND very optimistic projections from that down to the 100 (10.5x2= 21.0, 21.0x2 + 3 = 45.0).
Nailed it with 10.5 ceiling for fastest 400/800 guy, 11.0 quite possible for several.
IVD is over 3 seconds slower at 800 than the real elites this answer addresses so the thread title is mismatched with the discussion/video, on a guy who succeeded in yester-year, when the 800 was a distance man's even not a long sprinter's.
What are you talking about? Van Damme ran 1:43.8 in an Opympic final! And you say "real elites" are 3 secs faster! Please list all the current elites who have run 1:40.8!!!
There is 1 athlete who is 0.1 slower than that, which he hasn't run for 4 years, and 1 other who once ran just under 1:42.
If that 1:43.8 was run on the faster mondo track in Monaco, it would have been at least 1:43 low, a time which would still put him in the 'real elites' of today.
Most of the slight improvements in times over 800 from late 70's to today is down to better conditions, mainly track surfaces.
An elite 800/400 type should, with a bit of practise using blocks, be able to run 10.6 - 11.2 for 100m. And those who are more like 800/1500 runners should be able to break 12.0 secs.
The answer is that he shouldn't unless he wants a career ending hammy injury!!!
Lol at the guys guessing around 10.5 and the guy guessing 10.2 are you retarded.
This is what guys running 10.2 looks like:
This is what Ivo Van Damme looked like:
http://www.sporting-heroes.net/content/thumbnails/00103/10235-zoom.jpg
Distance runners. Are. Not. Fast.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Van Damme could run probably about an 11 flat and then he could beat the crap out of the other 7 runners too.
What if Steven Seagal was running in the race too?
Fools... wrote:
What is this talk of 11 mid ?!?!?! Van Damme ran 46.4 in the 400. 46.4 divided by 4 = 11.60 4 times in a row. I guess I could see him running something god awful slow (i.e. greater than 11s) in the conditions described by the op. This would be no representation of his ability though. Clearly a sub-11 guy. Op - what say you ?
No way sub 11
Top sprinters spend an awful lot of training time on the task of moving from a still position to maximum speed as quickly as possible - the start! A middle distance runner, even one with very good leg speed, would struggle with this aspect of a 100m from blocks. most MD guys would run 200m faster than twice the time for a 100. That is, a MD guy who ran 12 seconds from blocks over 100m would probably beat 24 seconds for 200m from blocks.
Re Van Damme; wasn't he a sprinter before moving up? If so he would have had some experience of starting from blocks.
mark b wrote:
Top sprinters spend an awful lot of training time on the task of moving from a still position to maximum speed as quickly as possible - the start! A middle distance runner, even one with very good leg speed, would struggle with this aspect of a 100m from blocks. most MD guys would run 200m faster than twice the time for a 100. That is, a MD guy who ran 12 seconds from blocks over 100m would probably beat 24 seconds for 200m from blocks.
Re Van Damme; wasn't he a sprinter before moving up? If so he would have had some experience of starting from blocks.
In the video he says something to the effect that he can't start well from the blocks, to be expected.
As you said, if he could run 11.3/11.4 I'd expect him to hit 22 flat.
A lot of distance guys seem to somewhat over estimate the sprint ability of 800m or 1500m athletes and also the speed requirements of those events. 21 high/22 flat is plenty speed for a pro and the 100m is completely irrelevant.
11.5
randomcoach wrote:
11.5
Damnit the answer was already posted. Happy with my guess.
I was a very mediocre mid-d guy (I ran 1:57 in 800 and 4:04 in the 1500). I raced a couple of 100s and 400s, all hand timed. My times were 12.2 and 52.0. I would think a top guy could might be able to dip under 11, but just barely.
Mediocre runner wrote:
I was a very mediocre mid-d guy (I ran 1:57 in 800 and 4:04 in the 1500). I raced a couple of 100s and 400s, all hand timed. My times were 12.2 and 52.0. I would think a top guy could might be able to dip under 11, but just barely.
Hand times mean nothing, f*ck off.
Mediocre runner wrote:
I was a very mediocre mid-d guy (I ran 1:57 in 800 and 4:04 in the 1500). I raced a couple of 100s and 400s, all hand timed. My times were 12.2 and 52.0. I would think a top guy could might be able to dip under 11, but just barely.
Dyke perfect wrote:
Hand times mean nothing, f*ck off.
Tell that to Jesse Owens.
I reckon someone like Mohammed Aman or Nijel Amos could run 100m in 10.6, 10.7 time. I think amos has a 400m PB of 45.56 and his sprinting abilities showed when he ran that leg in the heats of the 4x4 relay in beijing last year
Someone like nick symmonds though who runs hard to even break 48 for 400 couldn't break the 11.5 barrier
He probably could run that with a running start, but from a standing or block start, it's doubtful.
JohnHanks84 wrote:
I reckon someone like Mohammed Aman or Nijel Amos could run 100m in 10.6, 10.7 time. I think amos has a 400m PB of 45.56 and his sprinting abilities showed when he ran that leg in the heats of the 4x4 relay in beijing last year
Someone like nick symmonds though who runs hard to even break 48 for 400 couldn't break the 11.5 barrier
top 800 guy - 11.2
top 1500 guy - 11.5
Clayton Murphy:
11.84 in high school! Maybe 11.2-11.3 now?
How fast could Nick Symmonds run one I wonder
