Doping in High School

Several years ago an athlete on my kid's XC team had a severe cold before the state meet. They were on an IV drip for two days at the hospital in the week before the meet and received other care from a Naturalopathic doctor. The athlete went on to have a major break through at that race and then the next spring after another severe cold went on to break two distance school records. I've always wondered what was in those IVs but since there are no rules in HS it just didn't make sense to ask questions.

You know way too much about this kid. Worry about coaching your own team. It's HS dude, 99% of your kids will never run more than a charity 5k again. Worry about making their brief time in HS enjoyable.

That is life, coach wrote:

This has become a common practice. Lower your iron intake, go to the doctor, and get blood transfusions, and PR. This is common practice in high school. Unfortunately, it is a part of the game. There are too many athletes at the high school level to monitor. That is why it is the best place for athletes to dope or inject HGH.

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

southernfriedrealist wrote:

That is life, coach wrote:

This has become a common practice. Lower your iron intake, go to the doctor, and get blood transfusions, and PR. This is common practice in high school. Unfortunately, it is a part of the game. There are too many athletes at the high school level to monitor. That is why it is the best place for athletes to dope or inject HGH.

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

You're the one who said "iron is just a little low". I'm not sure why you went so far out of your way to disprove an idea that you made up.

southernfriedrealist wrote:

That is life, coach wrote:

This has become a common practice. Lower your iron intake, go to the doctor, and get blood transfusions, and PR. This is common practice in high school. Unfortunately, it is a part of the game. There are too many athletes at the high school level to monitor. That is why it is the best place for athletes to dope or inject HGH.

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

Agreed. Love to know just where this is a "common practice". Our kid rolled a 6 on the ferritin test, and insurance wouldn't go for it. IV iron is expensive (around $2k a visit in our area), and that's if you can get a MD to even sign off on the process.

I know a pretty good area athlete where the parents ended up paying just under $9k out of pocket to get 4 IV iron treatments when their insurance wouldn't go for it. Resurrected the athlete's season, though.

north coast wrote:

southernfriedrealist wrote:

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

Agreed. Love to know just where this is a "common practice". Our kid rolled a 6 on the ferritin test, and insurance wouldn't go for it. IV iron is expensive (around $2k a visit in our area), and that's if you can get a MD to even sign off on the process.

I know a pretty good area athlete where the parents ended up paying just under $9k out of pocket to get 4 IV iron treatments when their insurance wouldn't go for it. Resurrected the athlete's season, though.

This happened in Texas and a few doctors went to jail for it but nothing ever happened to the high schools. Whatever they were using was bought illegally from China, not through insurance, obviously.

Also, something similar happened in West Monroe, LA. Home of the best high school football program in America, where they produced pure BEASTS. Then a few doctors got busted injecting HS kids with HGH from China. Doctor's did some jail time. Nothing happened to high school.

north coast wrote:

southernfriedrealist wrote:

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

Agreed. Love to know just where this is a "common practice". Our kid rolled a 6 on the ferritin test, and insurance wouldn't go for it. IV iron is expensive (around $2k a visit in our area), and that's if you can get a MD to even sign off on the process.

I know a pretty good area athlete where the parents ended up paying just under $9k out of pocket to get 4 IV iron treatments when their insurance wouldn't go for it. Resurrected the athlete's season, though.

You're an idiot if you think doctors only use what's available through insurance.

southernfriedrealist wrote:

That is life, coach wrote:

This has become a common practice. Lower your iron intake, go to the doctor, and get blood transfusions, and PR. This is common practice in high school. Unfortunately, it is a part of the game. There are too many athletes at the high school level to monitor. That is why it is the best place for athletes to dope or inject HGH.

Lol, gotta love people who talk out of their butts. So tons of insurance policies will pay for transfusions if you're iron is just a little low?

I was curious and checked mine (Blue Cross Blue Shield) and your hemoglobin has to be under 10. That's way more than just having your iron a little low.

Boom: All arrested were parents of athletes. Wasn't easy to find, but I remembered hearing about this

The fact is that a sleazy hanger-on a a central Portland catholic high school was doping a goofy looking dim-witted elf.

He's Filthy wrote:

The fact is that a sleazy hanger-on a a central Portland catholic high school was doping a goofy looking dim-witted elf.

There is no evidence whatsoever that elfie rupp was doping before the age of 13.

How dumb are some people wrote:

north coast wrote:

Agreed. Love to know just where this is a "common practice". Our kid rolled a 6 on the ferritin test, and insurance wouldn't go for it. IV iron is expensive (around $2k a visit in our area), and that's if you can get a MD to even sign off on the process.

I know a pretty good area athlete where the parents ended up paying just under $9k out of pocket to get 4 IV iron treatments when their insurance wouldn't go for it. Resurrected the athlete's season, though.

You're an idiot if you think doctors only use what's available through insurance.

So there are tons of rogue doctors out there doping up kids and risking their careers so Tommy can run a few seconds faster? My oh my.

What are the actual regulations in regards to anti-doping for US High School athletes?

I can't imagine anyone getting a TUE for this.

southernfriedrealist wrote:

How dumb are some people wrote:

You're an idiot if you think doctors only use what's available through insurance.

So there are tons of rogue doctors out there doping up kids and risking their careers so Tommy can run a few seconds faster? My oh my.

It's really not that risky, and there is plenty of money to be made.

That's Great!

locksley wrote:

That's Great!

I die a little each time I read your posts.

Are there high school runners out there who don't blood dope? I thought everyone does it. My high school had what we referred to as "the blood chamber" where we stored our blood and replenished before big meets.

What would you be reporting?

If your state has some kind of antidoping rules and you have solid evidence that actual rules have been violated then you should report it to your state association.

If there's no rule in your state, then there's no violation to report.

If there's a rule but you have just heard a rumor and you have no evidence, then you have nothing worth reporting. Jealous people start rumors all the time and deducing that someone is doping just based on performances is very flimsy evidence. If all you know is what you have posted, I don't think you have much basis for making accusations.

Just let it go. If she can't maintain it in college she will lose her scholarship.

Anyway, it's super hard to judge when you're not involved. I was actually accused of doping in high school because I moved from out of country and developed severe allergies almost immediately after deplaning. Hives all day every day, living off Zyrtec, had to get allergy shots and run antibiotics because I constantly had sinus and other bacterial infections from the congestion. Start of cross I couldn't get it together, barely breaking 20. By the end of the cross season I started to run a little more normal, high 16s and low 17s, but people started asking questions, and none of my results from back home were really available (late 90's).

Fast forward to track season, I went from 4:30's to low teens in the mile. I should have gotten scholarships, but coaches all over were accusing me of doping. Being that I had no GPA coming into my senior year and had never done ACT/SAT prep, I certainly wasn't knocking on the door of being valedictorian or getting any D1 offers out of state, so no one wanted to touch me. I ended up going to a local school and planned to walk on later, but I was so broken by the experience that I just quit and when I transferred I couldn't get the ball rolling again. I didn't run again for 10 years.

Moral of the story: let this girl live her life. You have no idea what's going on and could really f@ck her up, like some dbag did to me. Severe anemia is no joke, she could just be super talented.

ole south wrote:

southernfriedrealist wrote:

So there are tons of rogue doctors out there doping up kids and risking their careers so Tommy can run a few seconds faster? My oh my.

It's really not that risky, and there is plenty of money to be made.

How much money? Obviously you have some insider information. I find it hard to believe that any doctor would willingly help a teenage kid dope. There would be way too much backlash on the doctor and parents. But please, reveal some of your inside info, including what drugs a high school kid would be prescribed by a willing doctor.