First, that WC course was awful, second there were only 100 runners in the race instead of 250 and the course was wide enough to accommodate them.
I actually think Terre Haute's 10k is tougher than Louisville's. It's a lot hillier. I have no problem with tough courses. But the course has to be fair in that it's possible to pass people. Lville is just too narrow. It's almost impossible to move up.
not in kansas anymore wrote:
First, that WC course was awful, second there were only 100 runners in the race instead of 250 and the course was wide enough to accommodate them.
I actually think Terre Haute's 10k is tougher than Louisville's. It's a lot hillier. I have no problem with tough courses. But the course has to be fair in that it's possible to pass people. Lville is just too narrow. It's almost impossible to move up.
That course was difficult, but definitely not "awful." It is cross country, not track.
Let's say that the Louisville course is too narrow - I don't think it is, but I'll play along. As I said, in cross country you compete against your competitors on the course presented. If you know ahead of time that there are sections where a bottleneck can occur, then you plan for that. You preview the course, don't you?
If the course dictates that you need to get ahead of the pack earlier than your "perfect-world-negative-split" race needs, then that is what you need to do. Again, this isn't track fer-God-sakes.
not in kansas anymore wrote:
First, that WC course was awful, second there were only 100 runners in the race instead of 250 and the course was wide enough to accommodate them.
I actually think Terre Haute's 10k is tougher than Louisville's. It's a lot hillier. I have no problem with tough courses. But the course has to be fair in that it's possible to pass people. Lville is just too narrow. It's almost impossible to move up.
If you can't find a place to pass over a 10K course I would suggest you brush up on your racing skills. I saw plenty of runners passing and being passed at the race this past weekend. Not sure why you find it difficult.
BigDaddyWooWoo wrote:
been to 7 xc championships (fan) in 10 yrs indiana hands down. to many things to list. btw. they need to replace bob, an embarrassment to the sport to know to so little about xc. sad to see xc come to this. as a fan i will never go back to louisville....i didnt come there to eat
Hold the meet at Wisconsin. The cold weather will be a great equalizer.
I saw runners moving up too (the Rosas to name a couple). It's not too hard to move up after 3k or so, but that first 3k is terrible. You get out slow, you're stuck.
I'm too old to brush up on my racing skills, but that's my conclusion from watching at both courses. Since I wasn't in the race and I'm catching a lot of flak for my opinion I'll shut up now. But I've heard this echoed by some coaches and athletes.
not in kansas anymore wrote:
I saw runners moving up too (the Rosas to name a couple). It's not too hard to move up after 3k or so, but that first 3k is terrible. You get out slow, you're stuck.
I'm too old to brush up on my racing skills, but that's my conclusion from watching at both courses. Since I wasn't in the race and I'm catching a lot of flak for my opinion I'll shut up now. But I've heard this echoed by some coaches and athletes.
You may have seen one Rosa move up.
And like an earlier post said, wtf happened to Rim Rock Farm? It's a classic.