Seems 1203 people found a way to finish. The half marathon runners bear no responsibility whatsoever for Tisia's failure.
Seems 1203 people found a way to finish. The half marathon runners bear no responsibility whatsoever for Tisia's failure.
Dear OP
1) You are an arrogant, snob who thinks he is a great runner and all slower are beneath him. I've cracked the 2:20 barrier back in the 80's when I was in my 20's, and I never acted like you. I knew that these people struggle to make it to the finish, and it was hard for most.
2) Who do you think pays for the marathon expenses? Hmmm? If only, as you say "real runners" were to toe the line, each race would have how many runners? 20? 30? What would that pay for? Boston Marathon sells over 8,000 jackets at $120 each. Who buys those? The Kenyans? They don't even have a wallet. Get the point? This is true in all races, moron!
3) The situation you described can be one of several factors. A) The race did not plan well enough, B) the lead runner did not prepare well enough C) he, like you is soft. Bill Rodgers ran 2:09 in Boston on a hot day (after he stopped to tie his shoe mid way) and guess what....there was NO GATORADE!!!
He drank water. Hmm. Imagine that!
4) You may be faster than some, but there will always be many faster. And, I'm 100% sure there are many many badder than you, and could easily beat you to a pulp. So stfu!
Seems like a runner of his caliber, and experience, should provide his own, as most races, including this one, offer the service. Hate to blame the runner, but he could have prevented it.
real TO wrote:
Hobby Questioner wrote:Given that you need times close to, if not less than 2:05, to win a major marathon, how is a guy with a 2:15 PB anything other than a hobby jogger?
Agreed. His most recent race was a 2:33. That just qualifies him to clog up the course at 5kms and break the legs of elite women.
Well he is aspiring to be a top American marathoner. As you said 2:05 is what it takes and on that criteria there's only been 2 Americans who weren't hobby joggers like ever! KK and RH.
real TO wrote:
Hobby Questioner wrote:Given that you need times close to, if not less than 2:05, to win a major marathon, how is a guy with a 2:15 PB anything other than a hobby jogger?
Agreed. His most recent race was a 2:33. That just qualifies him to clog up the course at 5kms and break the legs of elite women.
LOL you mad bro?
Clogging isn't about speed. It's about not knowing your speed. This guy is no clogger. Sounds like you might be.
contradictions abound wrote:
Something doesn't match here. If there were adequate supplies, why did in that article does it say they ran out? Something is not right here. Please explain. Did they run out and then refill them?
Race organizer is lying. The aid stations were obliterated by the half marathon participants. What a stupid layout for a race, running the half marathon simultaneously on the back half of the marathon course. Did they even have a separate lane for the marathoners to get through the joggers? I've actually never seen that in decades of running.
Thirtysomething The Show wrote:
That's his own fault. He should have carried a gel. Not the race's fault he's inefficient. I never drink more than water in marathons.
If you never drink more than water, you are taking a different approach to most elites, essentially all of whom take sugar and electrolytes in their drinks. (I have looked after the elite drinks at some races and it is interesting to see.)
But hey, whatever allows you to feel the most smug as a 2:50 marathoner ripping on faster runners.
As for the "fault," of course a runner should be able to expect that the race provides what they say they will. Why should he carry his own nutrition when it was plainly stated that would be available? Were you carrying your own water in all your blazing-fast marathons?
Dingler wrote:
Thirtysomething The Show wrote:That's his own fault. He should have carried a gel. Not the race's fault he's inefficient. I never drink more than water in marathons.
You've also never run 2:12. Or probably even under 2:30 for that matter.
Just because you're capable of completing a marathon without taking carbohydrates doesn't mean it's conducive to optimal performance.
Steve Jones ran 2:07 with Diet Coke. That proves no one needs Gatorade.
Nobody got robbed. Just another Kenyan on Hobby Jogging 2:12 pace (per the world famous Letsrun scale) for 26 miles, who then can't cover the last couple hundred meters, hilarious. Better luck next time, maybe Canova can adjust his training, or doses.
Nobody got robbed. Just another Kenyan on Hobby Jogging 2:12 pace (per the world famous Letsrun scale) for 26 miles, who then can't cover the last couple hundred meters, hilarious. Better luck next time, maybe Canova can adjust his training, or doses.
One run wrote:
Dear OP
1) You are an arrogant, snob who thinks he is a great runner and all slower are beneath him. I've cracked the 2:20 barrier back in the 80's when I was in my 20's, and I never acted like you. I knew that these people struggle to make it to the finish, and it was hard for most.
2) Who do you think pays for the marathon expenses? Hmmm? If only, as you say "real runners" were to toe the line, each race would have how many runners? 20? 30? What would that pay for? Boston Marathon sells over 8,000 jackets at $120 each. Who buys those? The Kenyans? They don't even have a wallet. Get the point? This is true in all races, moron!
3) The situation you described can be one of several factors. A) The race did not plan well enough, B) the lead runner did not prepare well enough C) he, like you is soft. Bill Rodgers ran 2:09 in Boston on a hot day (after he stopped to tie his shoe mid way) and guess what....there was NO GATORADE!!!
He drank water. Hmm. Imagine that!
4) You may be faster than some, but there will always be many faster. And, I'm 100% sure there are many many badder than you, and could easily beat you to a pulp. So stfu!
Actually OP is Dennis Kimetto.
That was over the top. OP made a good point.
real real TO wrote:
real TO wrote:Agreed. His most recent race was a 2:33. That just qualifies him to clog up the course at 5kms and break the legs of elite women.
LOL you mad bro?
Clogging isn't about speed. It's about not knowing your speed. This guy is no clogger. Sounds like you might be.
He had to be taken across the line on a stretcher. If that isn't clogging, I don't know what is.
Seems like he didn't know his speed.
Do you even run, brah?
real TO wrote:
real real TO wrote:LOL you mad bro?
Clogging isn't about speed. It's about not knowing your speed. This guy is no clogger. Sounds like you might be.
He had to be taken across the line on a stretcher. If that isn't clogging, I don't know what is.
Seems like he didn't know his speed.
Do you even run, brah?
How many elite women had to weave around him?
Did any shatter a femur in a cable-car track while hurdling him?
Was he in basketball shorts?
real real TO wrote:
What a stupid layout for a race, running the half marathon simultaneously on the back half of the marathon course. Did they even have a separate lane for the marathoners to get through the joggers? I've actually never seen that in decades of running.
Really, because I see it all the time at races that offer a half and full. The RD likes it because it makes the start less chaotic and the half runners like sleeping in but it sucks when you are coming in and merging with a herd of half runners. Unless the race puts up fencing the half runners usually over-run the full finishing chute.
Lessons learned: #1: if elite tables are made available to you use them and #2 if you are running the Victoria Marathon they might only have water at the aid stations, stash a gel or two just in case.
heartbreaking wrote:
I agree. Half marathon doesn't even require aid.
Any one else tired of all these half marathons at the same time as marathons. What are you gonna do? It's all about the money.
I ran the Adirondack Marathon a few years ago. They start the half marathon at 13.1 miles of the marathon course. What is worse is for some reason they start the half one hour after the start of the marathon. So you have the extra challenge of running through the entire field of half marathoners from 17 miles to the finish. It was nearly impossible to get anything from the water stations because of all the walkers.
Now I generally choose races that are just the marathon if possible but there is a way they can make t work for everyone.
I ran the Newport Marathon in Rhode Island. There were some things about the race I didn't like but they started the half after the marathon and the second half was not shared. It was stress free in the second half.
Tisia is always complaining about something. Something is always stopping him from running sub 2:12 in his mind.
otter wrote:
Now I generally choose races that are just the marathon if possible but there is a way they can make t work for everyone. .
good luck finding one. the best you can do nowadays is find ones where most of the crowds from the halfs have thinned out.
Couple of takeaways from this article.
1) Very fast CR for such a small race.
2) Having run and won a race only last month he probably wasn't 100% ready for another marathon so soon.
3) He should have known about what the course organizers had to offer in terms of refreshments during the race, before signing up.
ekw wrote:
Update (Oct. 19, 2015): A spokesperson for the GoodLife Victoria Marathon has indicated that there was indeed adequate electrolyte drink and gels and waffles on the course at the eight designated aid stations. Tisia also acknowledges that he was offered but did not set up elite bottles before the race; something that he says he will certainly do in future races.
Only 8 aid stations?????? No wonder this guy bonked.