How could Coe train this hard, multi pace system a lie?

Senor Gomez wrote:

Example:

1: 4 x 1500m - HARD

2: Fartlek - EASY

3: 8 x 800m - HARD

4: Road run - EASY¨

5: 16 x 200m - HARD

6: Rest if racing, if not Fartlek - EASY

7: Time trial or race - HARD

8: 4-6 x 400m - EASY (shakeout)

9: Road run - EASY

10: 2 x 30m, 4 x 200m, 4 x 100m (400 pace) - HARD

11: Fartlek - EASY

12: Time trial or race or choose a suitable traning pace for the next event e.g. 400m pace for an 800m race, 800m pace for a 1500m race or 1500m pace fo a 5000m race - HARD

Seriously. This is just one hard day after another. I've never seen anyone train like this. And dont forget the strenght and circuits too.

When did he recover??

I've read Symmonds training diary, it seems so so much easier. More...human. How can they Horwill/Coe advice something like this?

mark b wrote:

3) Read up on many great runners from the 1950s and 1960s. Many of them did interval workouts on a daily basis, sometimes twice per day. As I said above, given time the body adapts and can cope with almost anything if the demands are gradually increased.

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Internval workouts don\'t have to be hard workouts. You can setup up an interval workout to be about as stressfull as your average run.

"At about 22:30 in this video. 100 meters, not yards."

- you're definitely still the wanker muppet for thinking you know what goes on by watching a video. That particular interval was different because of the traffic. There are white dots spray painted every 400m along the course, marked there around 1981. RVR is notorious for having poor drivers. If an interval had to be run long, then the next was run short to the next dot. Honestly, lad, your arrogance astounds me. Go over to RVR today, and you'll still see the dots in the SAME places that they've been since the early 80's. A local coach remarked them around 2009, as the local club still uses them. Will you stop arguing a point with something you know relatively little about? This forum is an extremely strange place.

Another hallamshire harrier wrote:

"At about 22:30 in this video. 100 meters, not yards."

- you're definitely still the wanker muppet for thinking you know what goes on by watching a video. That particular interval was different because of the traffic. There are white dots spray painted every 400m along the course, marked there around 1981. RVR is notorious for having poor drivers. If an interval had to be run long, then the next was run short to the next dot. Honestly, lad, your arrogance astounds me. Go over to RVR today, and you'll still see the dots in the SAME places that they've been since the early 80's. A local coach remarked them around 2009, as the local club still uses them. Will you stop arguing a point with something you know relatively little about? This forum is an extremely strange place.

In other words the dots might be marked accurately but the traffic etc makes hitting them iffy.

So yeah, you're wrong and just can't admit it.

When Seb said it was a hundred meters long his Dad had probably looked at the odometer to confirm it wasn't that long.

Quality not quantity

You probably think elite EA's do 2 workouts per week. Double that including tempos

Note fartlek would not be considered hard workout by Coe. Nor road runs!

Coe has been very reluctant to go after drug cheats and I haven't seen anything in the media about him trying to figure out all those anomalous blood testing values from Russia and Kenya.

Your implication was that seb's repeats were always "downhill and off"- neither of which is at all true. If a big f****ing lorry is right behind you; then yeah, on that occasional happenstance, you'll run extra. However, that is NOT the typical. So, shut your gob, lad. I lived there for 25 years, and your internet knowledge and arrogance has failed you. If you knew anything about the way Peter did it, all repeat sessions done on the road are always averaged anyway. There will be no specific times for each repeat, just an overall average. Further, I won't even start on your insinuation that this is all downhill. There are PLENTY of ups and downs on RVR. Again, a few clips from a simple video that you've watched on YouTube, I'm sure has convinced you otherwise. Heaven forbid anyone would try and set the record straight with you. After all, you know best. Let me give you a word of advice: your attitude will eventually cause you difficulties in life if you don't soon change it. Expectedly, you'll recoil at that statement and offer some kind of angry response. Do what you want...say what you want...think what you want. I no longer care.

Has got the better of you. You are acting like everyone on here is one person....

Oddly you now agree and don't even realize One minute you said it was all precise and now it's just averaged.

Have another tea biscuit you mossy toothed moran.

Jolly good, it's precisely averaged.

John Broz Desciple wrote:

Just some food for thought :)

Training at a high intensity every day is possible, if you build up to it and if you understand your body well.

John Broz is a weightlifting coach, but the concepts carry over to running as well (for many athletes at the elite level).

Define "high intensity."

I can lift weights to failure every day shifting sets of muscles per day. I can't do the same in running.

I don't know what's real or not. No clue. But the truth is typically very difficult to ascertain regarding elite workouts. Some of the important details are lost, some of it boasting, some of it incomplete, some of it misunderstood by others.

Horrorwill wrote:

Their book is full of prevarications and distortions, and Coe's current festering phony facade gives lie to his flawed nature. ]

Asinine alliterations aside, your claims are just the usual bitchy name-calling without specifics. So be specific about these "prevarications and distortions," complete with evidence.

Can't remember where but Coe or his dad referred to him as a renaissance man. far from it in my book. . what did peter say to him after his 080 in moscow? did he say he ran like a c...?

Yoshitoshi wrote:

Horrorwill wrote:

Their book is full of prevarications and distortions, and Coe's current festering phony facade gives lie to his flawed nature. ]

Asinine alliterations aside, your claims are just the usual bitchy name-calling without specifics. So be specific about these "prevarications and distortions," complete with evidence.

here's a good article on coe

http://www.spectator.co.uk/books/bookends/8772071/classic-coe/

another anecdote about a workout that seems more certain is one where Coe jumped in with tim hutchings. the plan was to run 7x800 at about 2:08 with short rest. the two started racing and the last few were sub 2:00

another canuck wrote:

another anecdote about a workout that seems more certain is one where Coe jumped in with tim hutchings. the plan was to run 7x800 at about 2:08 with short rest. the two started racing and the last few were sub 2:00

Here's a source.

pop_pop! wrote:

[quote]John Broz Desciple wrote:

I can lift weights to failure every day shifting sets of muscles per day. I can't do the same in running.

Hop on the left leg on even days of the month. Hop on the right on odd days.

You'd get quite strong.

Some UK coaches nicely defined fartlek as "run as you feel".

How could Coe train this hard?

Dianabol?