Galen Rupp... guts - respect.

Galen the 10K Boss wrote:

Use the 'Advanced Features' and put in Galen's time and temperature of 79. Select 'Race Result'

It equates to: 26:18

If you factor in humidity, it's even faster.

Yeah. Ok.

Galen the 10K Boss wrote:

Irk wrote:

Why likely?

That's why we need a measurements from inside the stadium.

I heard somewhere the temperature was 79. It felt warmer due to the humidity, but lets forget that for a second.

Go here:

http://www.runsmartproject.com/calculator/

Use the 'Advanced Features' and put in Galen's time and temperature of 79. Select 'Race Result'

It equates to: 26:18

If you factor in humidity, it's even faster.

The only thing that means is that this particular calculator is useless.

Wigglesworth wrote:

I think he surprised us all after a very quiet season amid a rather turbulent set of circumstances. He hung in there tough and just didn't have it at the end. Not to mention the particularly bad conditions for him (plus he got spiked). I think he has nothing to be ashamed of, and indeed, much to look forward to coming into the Olympic year. 5th place in a tough race -- congratulations man.

+1

Still the only American who can legitimately hang with the E Africans. Never gets old to see a white guy in the lead pack competing for the win.

The guy's a stud, no matter what the haters think.

I remember when Meb's 27:13 garnered front cover of T& F News magazine.

Edris ran 12:54 last year but wasn't even in the picture behind Rupp by the end. Rupp should, however, be spending a lot of time down in the south training for a race like this. Next year in Rio will be worse. Any Olympic hopefuls in the distance need to train for the weather conditions there, not for Stanford/Oslo perfection. Despite not showing any of the pop, the ability to change gears and close hard that he showed in 2012 at Trials and Olympics, Rupp's 27:08 in those conditions (61 close, dropped by seven seconds by Farah in the last lap) does indicate that he could run sub 26:40 in a European setup race. I'd like to see that happen--maybe Rupp and Farah could work together to get a fast time at one.

jjjjjjj wrote:

. Despite not showing any of the pop, the ability to change gears and close hard that he showed in 2012 at Trials and Olympics, Rupp's 27:08 in those conditions (61 close, dropped by seven seconds by Farah in the last lap) does indicate that he could run sub 26:40 in a European setup race. I'd like to see that happen--maybe Rupp and Farah could work together to get a fast time at one.

He had perfect rabbiting today all the way to 200m to go. What indicates his 27:08 is worth 30 seconds faster? Do you even know what the temperature was? You starting to sound like Ventolin.

Temp data wrote:

? Do you even know what the temperature was?.

I just looked at the weather. If I read it correctly, it was 75 degrees at night (no sunlight) with a 2 mph breeze. That sounds like good running weather. Certainly nothing worth a 30 second improvement in a 10k time.

SlowDad wrote:

Wigglesworth wrote:

I think he surprised us all after a very quiet season amid a rather turbulent set of circumstances. He hung in there tough and just didn't have it at the end. Not to mention the particularly bad conditions for him (plus he got spiked). I think he has nothing to be ashamed of, and indeed, much to look forward to coming into the Olympic year. 5th place in a tough race -- congratulations man.

+1

Still the only American who can legitimately hang with the E Africans. Never gets old to see a white guy in the lead pack competing for the win.

The guy's a stud, no matter what the haters think.

+2.

I'm not a big Rupp fan but he ran gutsy today, and kudos to him. Ten years ago we'd have been out of our minds with such a performance from an American.

jjjjjjj wrote:

Edris ran 12:54 last year but wasn't even in the picture behind Rupp by the end. Rupp should, however, be spending a lot of time down in the south training for a race like this. Next year in Rio will be worse.

Maybe. Remember that Rio is in the southern hemisphere and thus it's late winter or early spring there. Not snowy winter, of course, but average highs are about 75 and lows can be in the 60's at night. It's their coolest month. Yes, pretty much always humid, but maybe not as much as the night of this 10k. Rupp was impressive, but 4 other runners were more impressive. His gap of 34 seconds over the next runner tells the story of how well he ran. Okay, that and being the 4th fastest 10k ever by an American (2 of the others his). Great race to watch, And Kamworor must have had almost as fast a final lap as Farah. Rio will be great no matter what the temperature or humidity!

Temp data wrote:

Temp data wrote:

? Do you even know what the temperature was?.

I just looked at the weather. If I read it correctly, it was 75 degrees at night (no sunlight) with a 2 mph breeze. That sounds like good running weather. Certainly nothing worth a 30 second improvement in a 10k time.

Sure, maybe not 30 seconds. But unless you just looked at the weather from before you and I were posting at about the time, then you likely looked at a temperature lower than the race enjoyed. And, many a humid run in my prime, wind and temperature do not cover the conditions. Based on their profuse sweating and Mo's tossing water on himself, and the commentators jabber (often not accurate I admit) I suspect those were trying conditions only 5 runners were able to conquer well.

Agreed.

Rupp's race today reminded me of Viren in 1980 - An over-the-hill champion (US at least), accused of doping, having a terrible season, losing to people you've never heard of, running times that wouldn't win a college meet, goes to a major championships on communist soil in hot weather and rises, phoenix-like, to the occasion. He finds himself battling 3 Africans and a European, the whole group running away from the other athletes, many of whom would have owned the protagonist just 2 weeks previous. Finishes 5th, running 62 for the last lap, but battling until he had nothing left. Good race from him!

I actually kinda respected the man before.

Glad to see it hasn't been misplaced.

Another data point on the conditions:

Hobby Joggers World wrote:

With his singlet drenched in sweat, Kipchirchir said he found it difficult to cope with the conditions. “It was cool outside, but inside the stadium it was awful,” he said. “I could feel the heat coming from the bottom of the track.

the showman who would be king wrote:

Kruppe wrote:

If it weren't for the slow runners breaking up the rhythm of the lead pack, I think Rupp would have made a better fight for a medal. The guys getting lapped could have probably stepped out to lane 2 or 3.

I don't think so. His form looked way off the last 500m.

Most humans don't look great when they are tired. 5th in that race is certainly nothing to hang your head down about especially considering how he has looked lately.

Temp data wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:

. Despite not showing any of the pop, the ability to change gears and close hard that he showed in 2012 at Trials and Olympics, Rupp's 27:08 in those conditions (61 close, dropped by seven seconds by Farah in the last lap) does indicate that he could run sub 26:40 in a European setup race. I'd like to see that happen--maybe Rupp and Farah could work together to get a fast time at one.

He had perfect rabbiting today all the way to 200m to go. What indicates his 27:08 is worth 30 seconds faster? Do you even know what the temperature was? You starting to sound like Ventolin.

I personally don't care what the time does or does not convert to. He ran his heart out to the very end. That's all a track fan can ask for-

I agree with the first part of this post but the 26:18 talk is laughable. That chart is just stupid. Totally stupid. I've always said running in warm weather can be like a different sport for some people. For others, it's not nearly as bad.

Rupp's run last night was fantastic and that's why we gave him great praise in our recap. It reminds me of Ritz's run in 2009. No one really gave him props as his 6th place finish only got him 6th and the leaders were way ahead.

1 Kenenisa Bekele 26:46.31 SB «

2 Zersenay Tadese 26:50.12 SB «

3 Moses Masai 26:57.39 SB «

4 Imane Merga 27:15.94 SB «

5 Bernard Kipyego 27:18.47 SB «

6 Dathan Ritzenhein 27:22.28 PB

For 2009, the IAAF reports that the temps were 25 celsius with 44% humidity so that's 77 degrees. In 2009, Bekele closed that race in 13:06!!!! Last night, the weather was officially reported as 26 celsius and 61% humidity so that's 78.8 degrees (So you can see why people still don't put Farah in Bekele's class).

Anyway, what did Ritz do a few weeks later in 2009? Run 12:56.

The problem people have with the NOP is 2nd part of your statement. How do you legally suddenly develop world class speed and then lose it? Seriously, how do you do it? Many argue pharmaceuticals and that's why the androgel accusations are so alarming for many. When Semenya is pumped full of testosterone, she's a world beater. When she's not, she's not.

Are you crazy? The leaders closed in 54. Rupp closed in 61. He wasn't medalling under any scenario given the Kenyan's fitness last night - just as Ritz wasn't medaling in 2009.

As others have pointed out, this is a factually wrong statement. The average weather for Rio on August 14th (day of 10,000 final) is here:

The average high is 24 celsius (75.2 F) and average low is 17 celsius (62.6). The max high was this year of 84.2 but by race time it was already down to 70 degrees this year. So worse case scenario, the heat is less of a factor in 2016 than it was this year.

Much respect for Galen today , He ran with heart and showed what he made off .. God bless Rupp

I agree with the first part of this post but the 26:18 talk is laughable. That chart is just stupid. Totally stupid. I've always said running in warm weather can be like a different sport for some people. For others, it's not nearly as bad.

Rupp's run last night was fantastic and that's why we gave him great praise in our recap. It reminds me of Ritz's run in 2009. No one really gave him props as his 6th place finish only got him 6th and the leaders were way ahead.

1 Kenenisa Bekele 26:46.31 SB «

2 Zersenay Tadese 26:50.12 SB «

3 Moses Masai 26:57.39 SB «

4 Imane Merga 27:15.94 SB «

5 Bernard Kipyego 27:18.47 SB «

6 Dathan Ritzenhein 27:22.28 PB

For 2009, the IAAF reports that the temps were 25 celsius with 44% humidity so that's 77 degrees. In 2009, Bekele closed that race in 13:06!!!! Last night, the weather was officially reported as 26 celsius and 61% humidity so that's 78.8 degrees (So you can see why people still don't put Farah in Bekele's class).

Anyway, what did Ritz do a few weeks later in 2009? Run 12:56.

The problem people have with the NOP is 2nd part of your statement. How do you legally suddenly develop world class speed and then lose it? Seriously, how do you do it? Many argue pharmaceuticals and that's why the androgel accusations are so alarming for many. When Semenya is pumped full of testosterone, she's a world beater. When she's not, she's not.

Are you crazy? The leaders closed in 54. Rupp closed in 61. He wasn't medalling under any scenario given the Kenyan's fitness last night - just as Ritz wasn't medaling in 2009.

As others have pointed out, this is a factually wrong statement. The average weather for Rio on August 14th (day of 10,000 final) is here:

The average high is 24 celsius (75.2 F) and average low is 17 celsius (62.6). The max high was this year of 84.2 but by race time it was already down to 70 degrees this year. So worse case scenario, the heat is less of a factor in 2016 than it was this year.

Let's deal in facts - not anecdotes. It felt hot to me standing there until I felt a breeze. Outside, it felt pretty decent. Mead told me he didn't think it was that bad and he thought the winner would run 26:50.

(I'm having internet problems so I'm reposting a post I just made in case it didn't show up. Here it is).

I agree with the first part of this post but the 26:18 talk is laughable. That chart is just stupid. Totally stupid. I've always said running in warm weather can be like a different sport for some people. For others, it's not nearly as bad.

Rupp's run last night was fantastic and that's why we gave him great praise in our recap. It reminds me of Ritz's run in 2009. No one really gave him props as his 6th place finish only got him 6th and the leaders were way ahead.

1 Kenenisa Bekele 26:46.31 SB «

2 Zersenay Tadese 26:50.12 SB «

3 Moses Masai 26:57.39 SB «

4 Imane Merga 27:15.94 SB «

5 Bernard Kipyego 27:18.47 SB «

6 Dathan Ritzenhein 27:22.28 PB

For 2009, the IAAF reports that the temps were 25 celsius with 44% humidity so that's 77 degrees. In 2009, Bekele closed that race in 13:06!!!! Last night, the weather was officially reported as 26 celsius and 61% humidity so that's 78.8 degrees (So you can see why people still don't put Farah in Bekele's class).

Anyway, what did Ritz do a few weeks later in 2009? Run 12:56.

The problem people have with the NOP is 2nd part of your statement. How do you legally suddenly develop world class speed and then lose it? Seriously, how do you do it? Many argue pharmaceuticals and that's why the androgel accusations are so alarming for many. When Semenya is pumped full of testosterone, she's a world beater. When she's not, she's not.

Are you crazy? The leaders closed in 54. Rupp closed in 61. He wasn't medalling under any scenario given the Kenyan's fitness last night - just as Ritz wasn't medaling in 2009.

As others have pointed out, this is a factually wrong statement. The average weather for Rio on August 14th (day of 10,000 final) is here:

The average high is 24 celsius (75.2 F) and average low is 17 celsius (62.6). The max high was this year of 84.2 but by race time it was already down to 70 degrees this year. So worse case scenario, the heat is less of a factor in 2016 than it was this year.