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BigDaddyWooWooo wrote:
Bernard Lagat. Pimples and acne, braces, positive drug test, and all the other stuff that was mention. Plus you have to be crazy to think anyone is capable of the times he is running. Someday it will come out or he end up like Kyle Alzado.
"Kyle" Alzado? I assume you mean Lyle Alzado. Don't try and uses braces as an excuse for Lagat. You can google image search him and see that he had a big gap in his bottom teeth when he was in college. You'll also notice that his jaw looks exactly the same as it always did. When guys need braces from drug use you will see that their jaws look quite different. Look at Dwayne Wade if you want to see what a jaw looks like from hgh/steroid abuse. If you want to go back a little bit more just look at Barry Bonds. I'm not saying Lagat insnt a doper but his braces have nothing to do with it.
Odk wrote:
steroid era wrote:Those are possible signs. I know at least one doper (didn't get caught) and here's what I observed:
Decent college career but nothing outstanding (NCAA qualifier/USOT track qual. a year later but like a the lower end of the 25-30 that got in), some progression as a 2nd tier pro then plateau ca. 25-28 yrs old
Huge jump at about 30, dropping a minute in 10K, 30 sec in 5K
Some personality changes--no longer so outgoing other than on a superficial basis, smaller/tighter circle of friends.
Zits on face and back. Braces at age 30-35.
Uber lean and buff.
Times continue to drop through mid-30s. Take off another minute in 10K, and another 30 sec in 5K. 5K best is almost at mile race pace from college days. Approaches AR levels and multiple top 2 or 3 at USA championships.
How do you know he was a doper? Did you see him do drugs?
I noticed the OP didn't specify a gender. Might've been a chick.
Dope Control wrote:
What are some visual signs of doping?
Visual signs -
http://dunk360.com/media/2014/12/D360-Featured-Image-Template-serena-660x400.pngThe jaw changes like this. Top 2 are Barry Bonds & bottom 2 are Manny Ramirez just in case someone hasn't been following news or sports.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0115707703d8970b-500wi
Tell me Aikines-Aryeetey isn't on 'roids.
http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/740x10004-e1375892031285.jpg
muscles and veins like this...on a woman.
Dope Control wrote:
What are some visual signs of doping?
1. No significant change in facial expression between slow and fast paces.
2. Not tired or short of breath after running a fast time.
3. Finer tuned body...(sprinters jacked up or distance runners extremely toned due to drugs that might enhance that effect).
4. Fast recovery between heats/races.
5. Heart-related issues: heart disease, stroke, and cerebral or pulmonary embolism
1. That's extremely relative. Some runners just don't *look* tired even when they're all-out. I knew a couple guys in high school that were like that.
2. This is also dependent on how well the race was run (as well as weather conditions). Think of how you feel after you run a mediocre race. Now think of how you feel when you obliterate your PR when it's 50 degrees out. Also, the greater your fitness and the longer you've been running, the more often you will notice yourself *not* hunched over dead after a race. However, shortness of breath should always be apparent. That is inevitable. Of course, with the cameras so far away for these pro races, it's difficult to tell just how tired the athletes are. A wide smile does not mean no fatigue.
*Also notice how someone like Rupp looks after he gets defeated, and then how he looks when he wins. The adrenaline rush that comes from winning in front of a roaring crowd must truly be something else.
3. Body type/appearance is also dependent on a lot of things like genes. I understand that doping will make someone insanely lean, but it's not necessarily a sign if a runner looks very ripped.
4. I agree. NOP's insane post-race workouts make some people's eyebrows go up for this very reason.
Raider fan wrote:
"Kyle" Alzado? I assume you mean Lyle Alzado. Don't try and uses braces as an excuse for Lagat. You can google image search him and see that he had a big gap in his bottom teeth when he was in college. You'll also notice that his jaw looks exactly the same as it always did. When guys need braces from drug use you will see that their jaws look quite different. Look at Dwayne Wade if you want to see what a jaw looks like from hgh/steroid abuse. If you want to go back a little bit more just look at Barry Bonds. I'm not saying Lagat insnt a doper but his braces have nothing to do with it.
a) If you're going to call out people for typos, maybe you should learn how to spell "Dwyane Wade" first.
b) Another vote for yellow eyes. That's 'roids, though, not necessarily EPO.
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Bad looking and uneconomical form but fast
Dope Control wrote:
I recollect a conversation a mechanic had with Lemond when Armstrong was crushing up the Alps. "The guy is on the juice...he's not suffering"
Armstrong was talking on his little radio in the middle of his attack up a steep climb.
What are some visual signs of doping?
1. No significant change in facial expression between slow and fast paces.
2. Not tired or short of breath after running a fast time.
3. Finer tuned body...(sprinters jacked up or distance runners extremely toned due to drugs that might enhance that effect).
4. Fast recovery between heats/races.
5. Heart-related issues: heart disease, stroke, and cerebral or pulmonary embolism
3D shoulders
Tattooage, piercings, weird hair, and pronoun confusion.
Yep, he pretty much covered it all. I remember the first time I realized that Armstrong was on something (other than his bike). He was doing a pretty difficult climb with a few other guys. The commentators were commenting on how he had been sick (stomach flu or something) the previous couple days. Without warning, Armstrong full-force, dropped the hammer and completely annihilated anyone that was trying to hang on. Legs cranking out insane amount of turnover. Zero expression in his face. Looked like he was out for a Sunday stroll. Keep in mind he had been sick the previous couple days. Knew right there that he was on something. It was so obvious that I remember thinking that he should tone it down a little and make it look like he was exerting some sort of effort. Nope, looked like a robot.
I would say the biggest tell is quick recovery and appearance of minimal effort at maximum exertion level. See it all the time on world-class athletes. Finish with 51 second final lap and it looks like they just got out of bed. They’re jumping around, giving hi-fives to everyone in the crowd. I’m like, “Dude - you just ran a 3:48 mile with a 50-second last lap.”
Hfhjnn wrote:
I would say the biggest tell is quick recovery and appearance of minimal effort at maximum exertion level.
This is absolutely, 100% not a sign of doping. It's just what it looks like to be the class of the field. Take the athletes you see doing this, and (assuming they're doping), make them go clean and compete a tier down. It will look exactly the same.
I would say lack of emotion if winning a world or olympic title. Almost a look of guilt for some of them. Missing drug tests as well.
Broad shoulders and large biceps as a distance runner. Being fast at a young age. Avoiding testing.
Boulder shoulders( capped delts)
If the runner is wearing a uniform that says "kenya" or "Ethiopia" or "Morocco"
Finishing a race where you blow out the field and not being tired at all(instant recovery)
Being unsually buff and ripped as a female distance runner (where they run insane mileage killing calories and building muscle as a female is already hard). Lots of girls in the trials looked suspect
Everyone is juiced wrote:
This means that all athletes are juiced because you never see the winner of any race, Sprint or distance, tired after crossing the line. In high school track meets, teenagers consistently fall over at the end of a race. Remember when Ritz always did that?
When I was in high school I would collapse at the end of races just out of some weird compulsion, I hadn't literally run myself to collapse even though I was certainly working hard. I stopped doing it by college because I thought people would laugh at me. I really don't know why the heck I did it, looking back.
(I also quickly read through this thread just to make sure I didn't already say this 8 years ago when the thread was new.)
