I know. Like, EPO scary.
Dkny64 wrote:
Tx for the link. Scary that he doesn't even look winded after the race.
I know. Like, EPO scary.
Dkny64 wrote:
Tx for the link. Scary that he doesn't even look winded after the race.
Mack poofy wrote:
I know. Like, EPO scary.
Dkny64 wrote:Tx for the link. Scary that he doesn't even look winded after the race.
The 1000m is too short for blood doping to be effective unless we are talking global championships where it will help during rounds
Makloufi is too heavy to be utilising the weight loss /muscle building thyroid /growth hormone combo
Was he tested for EPO at that race? He was barely winded. What a scumbag.
Wow, result of the season so far!
I know some people will not agree, but in my book this is roughly equal to the top times of Kiprop/Kiplagat in the 1500m.
Clearly Makh-daddy is coming from the speed side of the spectrum.
I always assume that you have to subtract 30 seconds for an 800m equivalent.
Works quite fine in this top range of times.
So, 2:13.08 --> 1:43.08
(2:12.18 --> 1:42.18
2:12.88 --> 1:42.88 !!
2:11.96 --> 1:41.96)
I think the 800m split is 1:46.0-1:46.1
He got pretty much perfect splits for a 2:13.1:
~ 52.8, 53.3, 27.0 (+/- 0.1)
jjjjj wrote:
He has excellent drafting to, I think, 1:38, quite close, but the pacers held him back (the second pacer was always back of the first pacer a fair amount), and he finally taps the second pacer and goes on. He looks fairly controlled. I think that he does have a good shot at breaking Ngeny's world record or at least getting very close to it. Going slower the first 200 then the next is unusual and not ideal--you're using your ATP shot in that first 10 seconds or so. The splits were not determined by his fitness but by what his pacers were doing--he was right on them and could have gone faster. Finally, he does pick back up, especially the last 100m. 3:28 is definitely in play for Paris if conditions are not scorching.
I really think the splits were pretty even for the real world. His last 200m was c.26.7-26.9, so he wasn't really 'picking back up' the pace in the last 100m, which was c. 13.4. He might have looked faster in comparison to the less talented athletes behind him, but in actuality he just maintained the 13.4 pace he was operating at round the last bend. If he had a lot left then his last 100m would have been faster.
I think he lucked out with even pace and drafting up to 740m. I don't think he's a threat to the WR
People forget that the first 200 split shouldn't be too fast, as it's with a standing start. I think sometimes it's actually an advantage to go off a bit slower. 26.8/26.0 is actually pretty even running.
As a side note, Makhloufi was never in 1:42/3:26 shape in London. The rest of that 1500 field were not at their bests for a variety of reasons. He ran in paced races at both distances after the games and run nothing approaching those times. He even got beat in one. You don't lose that much form in the space of a couple of weeks, unless you were being propped up by some drug combo.
Makhloufi was in 1:43.0/3:29.5 form in London max.
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Here is the top 10 all-time at 1k according to tilastapaja.org.
5 2:13.56 Kennedy Kimwetich KEN 1 Jan 73 183/73 2 Nikaïa Nice 17 Jul 1999
Ah yes.
He surpassed the legendary Kennedy Kimwetich on the all time list.
c'mon, guys. use your heads here. you really think that was not aided? look at how relaxed he is that last bit- zero strain. as v^3 mentioned, he's clearly sub 3.30 right now. this coming from the Olympic champion that has been a ghost over the last 2 seasons. even his post Olympic season, he did not race much. he was destroyed in Eugene over a mile in 2013, hardly raced in 2014 aside from some lackluster performances, and then 2015 this? funny to see iguider give him a hug on the track post race. this is a travesty.
not what it seems wrote:
c'mon, guys. use your heads here. you really think that was not aided? look at how relaxed he is that last bit- zero strain. as v^3 mentioned, he's clearly sub 3.30 right now. this coming from the Olympic champion that has been a ghost over the last 2 seasons. even his post Olympic season, he did not race much. he was destroyed in Eugene over a mile in 2013, hardly raced in 2014 aside from some lackluster performances, and then 2015 this? funny to see iguider give him a hug on the track post race. this is a travesty.
I would be quite inclined to agree. Not to say that the life of a distance or mid distance runner isn't filled with peaks and valleys but amongst all the current talk about potential dopers, I don't know how he's not being brought up in every single conversation.
not what it seems wrote:
hardly raced in 2014 aside from some lackluster performances,
He set his lifetime PRs in the 800 and 1500 in 2014.
He PRed in the 1500 in Doha and won the 1500 in Brussels.
He PRed in the 800 in Berlin finishing second behind Aman.
If you look at his last 4 years, 2013 was his only down year.
Not saying he's clean, just getting the known facts straight.
JAKIR wrote:
PROUD LION WILL WIN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! HE IS VERY CLEAN AND WILL MAKE ALIEN KIPROP CRY!! POOR BABIES!!! SO JEALIS HE HAS GOLD MIDDLE AND THE REST HAVE NONE!!!
Haven't seen you here in awhile, JAKIR. Nice to hear from you again.
I really dislike this guy. Here's hoping Centro hands it to him in Beijing.
DC Wonk wrote:
I really dislike this guy. Here's hoping Centro hands it to him in Beijing.
Yes. This may come down to who has the better doctors.
My money is on Salazar here.
Juicy Juice wrote:
not what it seems wrote:c'mon, guys. use your heads here. you really think that was not aided? look at how relaxed he is that last bit- zero strain. as v^3 mentioned, he's clearly sub 3.30 right now. this coming from the Olympic champion that has been a ghost over the last 2 seasons. even his post Olympic season, he did not race much. he was destroyed in Eugene over a mile in 2013, hardly raced in 2014 aside from some lackluster performances, and then 2015 this? funny to see iguider give him a hug on the track post race. this is a travesty.
I would be quite inclined to agree. Not to say that the life of a distance or mid distance runner isn't filled with peaks and valleys but amongst all the current talk about potential dopers, I don't know how he's not being brought up in every single conversation.
Epstein says in his book that some meaningful percentage of people can use actual steroids and test negative - some weird genetic feature. I would not be surprised if he were one of those.
"it is quite feasible that half of the athletes about to dive into the water — perhaps as many as six out of eight depending on whether they are Chinese, Japanese, Korean or from another background — also have bodies that naturally allow them to take drugs but not get caught.
Astonishing though it sounds, significant numbers of sportsmen and women are born to dope, and get away with it. The proportion ranges from around one in 10 of those with European ancestry to one in five with African heritage, and up to a staggering two-thirds of people in some Asian countries, notably Korea."
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MAKHLOUFI TRAINED HARD IN THE MOUNTAINS BOY!!! HE DOESN'T TAKE STEROID OK!!! BECAUSE HE IS PROUD CHAMPION NO CHANCE FOR YOU!!! YOU MAKE ACCUSES AND ARE JEALIS WHEN THE NORTH AFRICAN TAKE GOLD MIDDLE!! SO SCARE!! HE HAVE MANY IMPROVEMENTS SINCE HE LEAVE JAMA!! NOW HE TRAIN MORE FASTER AND MORE STRONGER!!! YOU ARE SCARE!!! CENTROWITZ NEED EXTRAS TO DEFEAT PROUD LION OF SOUK AHRAS!!! THEY ARE ALL CHEATERS AND LIARS!!!
Yeah, I suspect a lot of the suspicion about him concerns his admittedly meteoric rise just at the times of the 2012 Olympics. And if he had completely disappeared after that, then I'd be very much inclined to agree.
But he has stuck around and run some good times and been competitive in plenty of races. And realistically, in hindsight that Olympic final was very strange. The favorites were injured or off their game and all of the top places would have been upset picks.
I wouldn't be surprised if he is doping, but that's true of pretty much any athlete at this point. He fits the profile of a talented young guy who was lucky enough to have his breakout season at the right time.
Star wrote:
DC Wonk wrote:I really dislike this guy. Here's hoping Centro hands it to him in Beijing.
Yes. This may come down to who has the better doctors.
My money is on Salazar here.
The africans have actual doctors (many are cardiologists) as coaches/agents. They're much more advanced than amateur doper Alberto.
Like me, how many people scrolled through this thread to see if you would weigh in? I truly enjoy your posts. I know it's hard for you (and your camp), but keep it clean so the mods don't delete.
They aren't upset that I'm coming. They are acting that way because they are nervous and excited (in a good way).
Tables will be of less value in a less contested event like this. Look at the guys on the list and the kind of shape they demonstrated around that time frame.
1 2:11.96 WR Noah Ngeny KEN 2 Nov 78 182/68 1 GP II Rieti 5 Sep 1999: 3:43 mile, #2 all-time, and beat El G at Sydney the next year for gold
2 2:12.18 AR Sebastian Coe GBR 29 Sep 56 1 Bislett Oslo 11 Jul 1981
1:41.73 WR/3:29 (years later)/3:47.33 WR
3 2:12.88 Steve Cram GBR 14 Oct 60 1 Gateshead 9 Aug 1985
1:42.8 beating Cruz/first under 3:30/3:46.32 WR, all in 1985, plus 1500m World Champ in 1983, Olympic silver medalist in 1984 behind Coe
4 2:13.08 NR Taoufik Makhloufi ALG 29 Apr 88 172/62 1 Stanislas Tomblaine 1 Jul 2015, 1:43/3:30/3:50, and obviously dominating Olympic gold in 2012
5 2:13.56 Kennedy Kimwetich KEN 1 Jan 73 183/73 2 Nika Nice 17 Jul 1999
1:43.03
6 2:13.62 NR Abubaker Kaki SUD 21 Jun 89 176/65 1 Pre Eugene OR 3 Jul 2010, ran 1:42.23 1 month before this race, multiple 1:42s, 3:31.76 in about one attempt, last to own Rudisha, 2nd in Daegu, two World indoor titles
7 2:13.73 NR Noureddine Morceli ALG 28 Feb 70 172/62 1 Villeneuve d'Ascq 2 Jul 1993 3:28 WR/3:44 WR/multiple golds
8 2:13.9h Rick Wohlhuter USA 23 Dec 48 1 Bislett Oslo 30 Jul 1974
WR880y (1:44.1, converts ungenerously to 1:43.5), WR1k, also ran 3:36
9 2:13.96 NR Mehdi Baala FRA 17 Aug 78 183/65 1 Strasbourg 26 Jun 2003
1:43.15/3:28.98/3rd in Beijing in 2008
10 2:14.09 NR Joaquim Cruz BRA 12 Mar 63 187/73 1 Nika Nice 20 Aug 1984
Gold at LA 1984, 1:41.77/multiple 1:42s
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