You guys are retards. He just ran an 800 thats much more impressive than any 5k or XC result he's had. So that obviously means he's a strength runner?
Good lord...
You guys are retards. He just ran an 800 thats much more impressive than any 5k or XC result he's had. So that obviously means he's a strength runner?
Good lord...
Can you dress yourself? wrote:
You guys are retards. He just ran an 800 thats much more impressive than any 5k or XC result he's had. So that obviously means he's a strength runner?
Good lord...
EXACTLY!!!
(Um, you replied to me though.)
I'd also like to ask why he can't be capable of strong performances on both ends? One of his occasional training partners managed 3.28 and 59.30 in pretty close proximity.
I'd like to think Centro is just getting better at all distances in his scope, being stronger and faster than last season. Is that such a bad thing?
What this shows is why he was able to kick with the best at Pre. His 800m is now considerably closer to what it needs to be to regularly compete with these guys in the 1500m/mile, not only in championship finals but on the circuit as well. Remember too that he frequently has stated that his speed wasn't quite there to get in good position at the start of fast races. That has been the difference. He stands a very good chance of breaking 3:30 at Monaco this year after this. And don't forget that he ran an early 13:20 last year, not a 13:20 in a midseason fast race. He can run faster. And compare Souleiman with the early 13:18? and 1:43 high.
I read that Salazar said after last year's season that he was lacking speed and this year, due to changes in his training, he would come down to 3'29, American Record shape. So far, so good.
For me this is great sign, he is well posed for the Worlds. I was really impressed by his mile run at Pre. Medal again, for sure. After that I would like to see him hunt for a proper PB and deep under 3'30 barrier.
PS: Speaking about Salazar in the middle of this scandal is little awkward.. I really hope that not all of athletes are guilty.
A 1:44 is a good result for a miler. John Walker had some success as a 800m/1500m runner. I hope Centro can match this next year at Rio.
Holman was not an 800/1500 guy.
He was a 5000m NCAA champion and generally a strength runner.
But him hitting 1:44 was a big deal that lead to 3:31.
Aouita was not a 800/1500 guy (5000m Olympic Champion and WR holder) but ran 1:43 and picked up an Oly 800 Bronze and held the 1500 WR for 7 years.
Again.
Centro may have run 1:44 off strength and not findamentally changed his training.
I would would certainly pick him over Nick Willis this year.
And I assume he will surpass Willis' 1500m PR.
Skuj wrote:
Can you dress yourself? wrote:You guys are retards. He just ran an 800 thats much more impressive than any 5k or XC result he's had. So that obviously means he's a strength runner?
Good lord...
EXACTLY!!!
(Um, you replied to me though.)
haha yah I wasn't replying to you. I hit reply to the most recent comment.
the premise of this thread is really dumb
people do realize you can work to improve your speed as well as your strength at the same time right?
amateur hour going on here
Dudes, he needed a race and you cannot race the same distance over and over again, that is he worst thing a racer can do ...
Keep him sharp, take the pressure off, get a pr, do a long run sunday morning get back into the rhythm .
If you've coached at a high level. You get it.
If you've raced at a high level you get it .
If you don't get it , you won't get it .
Tell me what Hicham's 800 PB is, then I'll tell you if Matthew is going in the wrong direction.
Renato would agree wrote:Centro falling into the "milers trap" trying to increase performance by focusing on trying to drop his 800 time and focusing on speed
nonsense
what evidence ?
has he had outstanding 800 earlier ?
Rather than working on his supporting endurance
nonsense
speed kills !!!
Renato has brought this up many times and used Alan Webb and Silas Kiplagat as examples
he never coached webb
silas apparently left him after disagreement of training aim
Silas had his worst season after focusing on "speed" instead of strength
drivel
silas was crap 10k guy at 28++
he ran 3'29.2 soon after meeting canova, meaning 3'29+ was probaly inherent
canova insisted on further endurance work to improve 1500 but silas disagreed & said he wanted more speed-work
silas left canova, then had season+ of poor clockings which canova liked to mention, but has completely shut-the-fuuck-up when silas ran
3.27.6 !!!
with
53.9 !!!
canova wouda been good help that day, as silas couda probably have run 3'26-low that day in a "perfect race" if he'd known how an awesome a shape silas was in
canova is clueless, that the only things kenyans need is hard gym-work to develop speed with leg-presses/hamstring curls/calf-ups/down + general upper body-work
i believe they have a gym
obviously no takers...
Webb blew up in 07 after his 1:43
antiquity
webb had unlucky injury
i do doubt endurance for 1y & speed next or vice-versa can work
Thoughts?
yeah
Renato mentioned that Silas couldn't go under 49 for 400 48'8 at best he said
not when silas was slogging fast miles-to-hell which is canova's only strategy
silas ran 3'29.2 under canova
he ran 3'27.6 with 53.9 after !!!
canova has not a fuucking clue about speed training
if he had 1 single neurone, he woud tell the kenyans to skip at least 1-day/week running & go to gym as sal said was secret of mo :
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics/article-2187860/Mo-Farah-weakest-athlete-Ive-seen-says-coach-Alberto-Salazar.htmlHe was the weakest athlete I’d ever trained — in terms of core strength and being able to do push-ups, sit-ups and single-leg squats. He was a 90lb weakling.
‘The No 1 thing that has helped Mo is not the 110 miles a week he puts in on the road, but the seven hours a fortnight in the gym.’
that's all sal did to mo & that's all canova coudn't understand he had to do with silas
Yet he has one of the fastest 1500 times since El G
absolutely fuucking nothing to do with canova
Lagat when he was running sub 3:30 the best he could do was 146:00
uttertly clueless
not a serious 800 with Rudy/Kip forcing fast pace
what on earth do you think in 3'26 shape, bernie couda run, if centro a 1'45++ previous guy, with 3'31.0pb runs 1'44-mid on hugely windy day ???
Yet he was 12:5x 5k runner
when no likely better than 3'29. not his 3'26 peak
Yes some athletes are 800/1500 runners who can run really fast 800's but it is a mistake for the strength based 1500 to try and emulate that
utter drivel
you are telling a 1500 guy to forget speed
utter total drivel
it is always speed !!!
Don't forget centro was top 10 in NCAA XC twice!
lotta africans there or meaningful for iaaf/ioc meets ???
Clearly strength oriented
or if european, he woudn't have had to run this & not had the brutal accummulative cardiac stress to dent his later career
learn
decent base is all you need for 1500
speed kills :
1500 is a jacked-up 800
sal realised this & has never entered mo in a medal 1500
not enough speed despite 3'28+ for better than 1'45+
the likes of bernie/noah/asbel had
~ 1'40-high/1'41-low
ability at 1500/mile peak
hicham with much better endurance, likely
~ 1'41-high/1'42-flat
Wonder what kind of effect his new 800 PB is going to have on his 1500
not much theoretically
he shouda been worth 1'43+ intrinsically long ago & he shoud know this...
he's just confirmed this on hugely windy race
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Star wrote:Running 1:44 seemed to help Manzano.
Running 1:43 low seemed to be good for Kiprop.
Running 1:42 was good for Cram and Elliot.
Running 1:41 bode well for Coe.
Even Holman ran 1:44, helping his confidence in the 1500.
What a dumb post. You are completely missing the point. These are all true 800/1500 runners, which Centro is not. He is a 13:20 guy and a repeat top-10 at NCAA XC.
When these guys go too far from their strength the inevitable result is not good. The fact Webb went backward the further he got from XC and long track is all about this.
Even Kiprop still trains for and races XC every year.
According to Canova, Webb wasn't really a miler.
gasket blower wrote:
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:What a dumb post. You are completely missing the point. These are all true 800/1500 runners, which Centro is not. He is a 13:20 guy and a repeat top-10 at NCAA XC.
When these guys go too far from their strength the inevitable result is not good. The fact Webb went backward the further he got from XC and long track is all about this.
Even Kiprop still trains for and races XC every year.
According to Canova, Webb wasn't really a miler.
The 3:46 not-a-miler.
Who cares what this little cheating punkassbitch doper does? I'd rather watch ants race than guido centro and his roid chacne.
You're all a bunch of nincompoops. Let me guess "he should of run 1;47?"
Centro and Webb are completely different animals. Only on LetsRun would someone complain about a miler with championship cred running a fast 800.
you know nothing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you have his training logs ?????
i didnt think so !!!
how do you know he is NOT doing those strength and endurance in conjuction with his speed work ???
you all need something to rant about
Centro is a beast !
I hope he is clean !!!!
Only on Letsrun are we now criticizing runners for running too well. I have seen it all.
Skuj wrote:
1. No matter what Centro does, it seems he cannot win with letsrun crowd.
2. Have you guys heard of Seb Coe?
Exactly, pretty much all the 1500 greats, Snell, etc., could run a 1:44 something or better.
Why is this clown allowed to insult and use the 'F' word and still not have his posts removed?
The rudeness and contempt he shows for a top coach, Canova, is despicable and unforgivable.