I just want Levins to have a big race, if he doesn't break his old 27:27 PB (set in 2012 while still at SUU) then he needs to bail out of the NOP pronto and get back on the monster mileage train.
I just want Levins to have a big race, if he doesn't break his old 27:27 PB (set in 2012 while still at SUU) then he needs to bail out of the NOP pronto and get back on the monster mileage train.
Dewey_Runner wrote:
I just want Levins to have a big race, if he doesn't break his old 27:27 PB (set in 2012 while still at SUU) then he needs to bail out of the NOP pronto and get back on the monster mileage train.
What are you talking about? Levins has run some great times under Alberto. To my knowledge, he has pr'd at every distance except 10000, which he hasn't raced seriously for time like he did at SUU. There is no way he could have done the double he did this winter back when he was in college.
What is the line of fit putting Kamworor in 10000m WR shape? He ran 58:54 which is great, but still behind Wanjiru and Tadese who never went under 26:30. Kamworor doesn't have a recent 5000m PB and has been running marathons with a 2:06. Again, a great time, but it's not on the same level as Mutai, Kipsang, Kimetto, etc. Bekele ran 2:05 and is no longer in his 10000m WR shape.
tony the tiger wrote:
He could but what i'm saying is whether in losing or winning effort Jeff will help Mo best his 10k time
Most ignorant poster ever.
13:12/27:06 pr's from 2011. He won world xc. He has run 58:54/2:06. Clearly not even in the same ballpark as Bekele, Tergat, or Geb. Spare me the world record talk. And look at him: there is no way that he is 22. He is mid to late 20s now.
jjjjj wrote:
13:12/27:06 pr's from 2011. He won world xc. He has run 58:54/2:06. Clearly not even in the same ballpark as Bekele, Tergat, or Geb. Spare me the world record talk. And look at him: there is no way that he is 22. He is mid to late 20s now.
What does his age have to do with anything?
Ventolin,
Thank you sir, its always a pleasure reading your comments
LOL what made you say that ?
I like the Canova approach to training.
Athlete has stitches and a cast, Canova says no running.
Athlete gets cast and stiches removed, jogs for coach.
Coach says see me tomorrow for 12x1k to see if you're OK.
don't you pay attention?Kamwo ran 58:54 off a jog to 4k
Network Engie wrote:
What is the line of fit putting Kamworor in 10000m WR shape? He ran 58:54 which is great, but still behind Wanjiru and Tadese who never went under 26:30. Kamworor doesn't have a recent 5000m PB and has been running marathons with a 2:06. Again, a great time, but it's not on the same level as Mutai, Kipsang, Kimetto, etc. Bekele ran 2:05 and is no longer in his 10000m WR shape.
Network Engie wrote:
What is the line of fit putting Kamworor in 10000m WR shape? He ran 58:54 which is great, but still behind Wanjiru and Tadese who never went under 26:30. Kamworor doesn't have a recent 5000m PB and has been running marathons with a 2:06. Again, a great time, but it's not on the same level as Mutai, Kipsang, Kimetto, etc. Bekele ran 2:05 and is no longer in his 10000m WR shape.
Why are you bringing up Wanjiru and Tadesse? Did either of them ever attempt a fast time in the 10k? The only 10k that I recall Wanjiru running was when he was ~18. He went out too fast and still ran around 26:40. Very possible he got faster as he got older and more trained.
vsvsvcs wrote:
don't you pay attention?
Kamwo ran 58:54 off a jog to 4k
yes
here is race report from over 2y ago !!!
http://www.iaaf.org/news/report/kabuu-and-kipsang-triumph-in-high-quality-racEthiopian Feyisa Lelisa led the men’s field out with a 50m advantage when passing 4km in a conservative 12:25
With the lead seven clocking 14:05 through 5km and 28:13 at 10km, fast times looked unlikely, but Geoffrey Mutai, who had been presented with the 2012 AIMS Asics Athlete of the Year the previous afternoon, pushed up the pace to head the pack past 12km, with world junior cross-country champion Kamworor, Lelisa and Stanley Biwott, the 2012 Paris Half marathon winner, on his shoulder.
Mutai remained the driver of the pack when taking them through 15km in 42:15. As the pace increased Lelisa fell back towards the second group led by Stephen Kibet just after 17km.
With the second 10km covered in 27:50, the 20km mark was reached in 56:03 and no quarter asked or given as they sprinted the long straight to the finish
Kamworor, who had won the Kenyan Police Cross Country Championships in January ahead of Mutai, edged ahead to take the tape in 58:54, with Biwott just two seconds adrift and Mutai third in 58:58. It was the first time that three runners have cracked 59 minutes in the same race and doubled the previous number of sub-59 performances over the previous six editions of the race
that 12'25 at 4k is clearly a misprint & i assume shoud be 11'25
that places field who were 50m behind at ~ 11'33
therefore, last 17.0975 km run at
~ 58'25 pace !!!
& they only started pushing the pace when 12km in !!!
flat-out from the gun, the top-3 finishers shoud all have challenged tadesse's 58'23wr
so no way was kamwo only "worth" 58'54 that day & he's had 2y to improve !!!
of money wrote:Why are you bringing up Wanjiru and Tadesse? Did either of them ever attempt a fast time in the 10k? The only 10k that I recall Wanjiru running was when he was ~18. He went out too fast and still ran around 26:40. Very possible he got faster as he got older and more trained.
sammy ran 26'41wjr at 18y off suicidal 13'09/13'32 splits
he went thru 6k at 26'16 pace behind kennster !!!
if he'd not overaimed that day, & run sensible splits, he shouda gone 26'30/26'35
he gave up track as running on the oval kept causing achilles pain
as for tadesse he ran 26'37 losing to kogo in a race he was very unhappy about
he was aiming for 26'20 beforehand & got shafted by slow pace which turned it into a tactical race in which he lost the sprint, albeit 26'37 isn't bad for a "disappointing" race
i was expecting 26'20 beforehand from tadesse, so he was not making some idle boast
i have no doubt he was in 26'20 shape in that epic 10kwc v kennster in ?'09 :
tadesse made a surge at ~ 6km & got a close to 10m lead on kennster
the elastic was on verge of snapping, but tadesse eased off & kennster re-caught him & blew away the sprint
he was a hair's-width from "breaking" kennster that day & you don't do that unless you have 26'20 ability at worst
tadesse at peak shoud be considered a 26'20 intrinsic guy
ventolin^3 wrote:
tadesse made a surge at ~ 6km & got a close to 10m lead on kennster
the elastic was on verge of snapping, but tadesse eased off & kennster re-caught him & blew away the sprint
he was a hair's-width from "breaking" kennster that day & you don't do that unless you have 26'20 ability at worst
tadesse at peak shoud be considered a 26'20 intrinsic guy
except, of course, actually breaking Kenenisa and NEARLY breaking hiim are two very different things .. so it's safe to say Tadesse was NEARLY in 26:20 shape .. something like, oh, 26:37 ... which also happens to be his PR.
So if Tadesse was not in 26 flat shape, but 'at best' 26:20, and more robably 26:30-35, .. and Kamworor's best performance so far puts him as 'challenging' Tadesse's HM record .. somehow that equates to Kamworor being 20 seconds faster again over 10 000m .. though Tadesse was more of a 10 000m runner than Kamworor, and trained for it more frequently than Kamworor has.
That just seems odd to me.
Don't question Ventolin, it will get your post deleted.
If you call him out for being wrong it is likely the entire thread gets deleted.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Don't question Ventolin, it will get your post deleted.
If you call him out for being wrong it is likely the entire thread gets deleted.
Is Ventolin a mod these days?!! What has this world has come to...
Geoffrey doesn't have the standard for WCh, and the main reason because runs in Eugene is to achieve the limit.
At the moment he's not in top shape, since is working very hard for increasing his speed, and didn't have any tapering, looking at Eugene (don't forget he has to qualify in Kenyan Trials, at 16 July, and this is another 10000m very hard, so it's not possible to have the best shape at the beginning of June, at half of July and on 22nd of August).
Secondly, I don't think he wants to discover all his cards, meeting Mo Farah.
However, he can run under 26'40" also in the current confition.
I think we will see a split of about 13'22" / 13'25" at 5 km, with the last 4-5 laps very fast, and this is the best solution for Mo, not for Geoffrey. But, I repeat,Geoffrey is a very clever and educated person, and in Eugene he wants to study Mo for understanding how he can try to defeat him in WCh.
About the HM of Geoffrey, I don't consider too much his PB, but the way he ran last year for winning WHMCh in Copenhagen : he ran the last 10 km, alone after attacking at 11th km, under 27'10", and this can clearly demonstrate he is an athlete able running around 26'30" or better, with a good launch of the race.
ventolin^3 wrote:
i have no doubt he was in 26'20 shape in that epic 10kwc v kennster in ?'09 :
tadesse made a surge at ~ 6km & got a close to 10m lead on kennster
the elastic was on verge of snapping, but tadesse eased off & kennster re-caught him & blew away the sprint
he was a hair's-width from "breaking" kennster that day & you don't do that unless you have 26'20 ability at worst
tadesse at peak shoud be considered a 26'20 intrinsic guy
There was no moment at that race when Bekele would feel uncomfortable. He was in a terrific shape. He said after the race he'd had everything under control and hadn't worried about not winning.
But he was close to losing 2 years before in Osaka. Sihine almost broke him.
When did Tadesse ease off? Tadesse was at his limit from a long way out. Final splits for the last 5 laps from Tadesse were 62, 62, 63, 63, 62. Bekele lost a step when Masai faded, but was otherwise on Tadesse's heels the entire way and closed with a 58.
Renato Canova wrote:
About the HM of Geoffrey, I don't consider too much his PB, but the way he ran last year for winning WHMCh in Copenhagen : he ran the last 10 km, alone after attacking at 11th km, under 27'10", and this can clearly demonstrate he is an athlete able running around 26'30" or better, with a good launch of the race.
Very nice. Thank you for sharing this interesting information.