Oregon and Cheserek should be ashamed and embarrassed

Oregon will be ashamed because Ches is the U of O's current poster boy, but in order to deflect from the team as a whole Ches should man up and shoulder all the embarrassment alone in an interview. He should also address all the competitors in that race in an apology as his tactics made it painfully obvious that he feels he is so superior enough to them that he believes there was no point in running the race hard because he was gonna win in the last 200 anyway. Specifically, he should shake Williamsz' hand, compliment him as the better competitor today and give a more personal apology for thinking he was too superior to lose to him. I expect Ches to really show us some heart in his next race in order to at the least try to make up for this blip on his record.

I agree with posters on a couple of scenarios.

I did not see it live and my phone blew up when it was over.

The first thing I thought was he wanted to light up the field again with his last 250-300.

The other thought was, he is just not comfortable from the front. with only one guy near him. That sounds like a cop Out,. I lean towards first scenario and that was a bad idea anyway. Creating your own potential traffic issues is risky.

avidviewer wrote:

Those tactics in the Penn men's 4x1 Mile were the most ridiculous I've ever seen. They almost came to a stop. Oregon deserved to lose. The entire Oregon program should be humiliated. That was ugly.

Agreed. It was an epic race until the last leg. The Oregon pricks deserved to lose, and all the ridicule that goes with it.

Well, you're only half retarded. Congrats. He would've "blown the doors off" the rest of the field? Jordy Williamz ran faster than him last night and faster at NCAA indoors. They were dead even at the hand off. Ches was afraid, you could see it with how he was looking around. His go to is the sit and kick. Might want to throw that idea away, King, cuz Jordy can and will outkick you. He can and will run faster in an honest race as well. In the past Jordy had to come from behind. Today he didn't. Regardless of how that race goes down, the "King" was going to get Thrilliamz'ed!

Jordy is NOT an 800 meters guy. Why do I keep seeing this? He ran a 3:36.74 1500 at Swarthmore several years ago (beat Nate Brannen in the process)! This kid is a legit threat at 1500/mile distances.

And, yes, he took a huge ego hit today. I thought he was an ass after indoors when he "let Jenkins beat him." Yeah, right buddy. He is proving to be a little too much for himself as well as a selfish teammate. I'd being flipping on him if I were his teammate. He's an incredible athlete, no doubt, but get it under control!

Can't wait to see the 4x800 later! Say it for me... "Let's go Nova!"

Ben Jammin wrote:

Can't wait to see the 4x800 later! Say it for me... "Let's go Nova!"

LET'S GO NOVA!

You're probably seeing it because Jordy called himself an 800m guy.

Don't forget Nick Symmonds is an 800m guy and has run 3:34. You can be an '800m' guy and still be a 1500 threat at the college level.

Watching the race yesterday (DMR), as Ches and Williamz came down the homestretch, all I could think was "yeah yeah, we get it dude. you're not going all out. you're the best. stop looking over your shoulder every half-second and just run the race." I've never rooted so hard for 'Nova.

Ever since the "I let Jenkins win" garbage from indoors I haven't been a big fan of this kid. He's a cocky showboater who tries way too hard to make it obvious when he's not trying his hardest. I wish I had been there to see him get nipped today. I bet Williamz wanted it so bad after yesterday. Good for him.

Dumb&ss. As the following poster said Jordy himself said he's an 800 guy.

Never post here again.

You probably see it because of all the guys left in the NCAA , Williamzs is one of the few, is any actually that owns a 1:46.x scratch mark at 800M, he ran it in a summer meet after the season.he also relayed 1:46 at World Relays .

But he is not an 800 runner, really. Just a 1500M runner who can run 800M effectively enough.

Trialswatcher wrote:

But he is not an 800 runner, really. Just a 1500M runner who can run 800M effectively enough.

Exactly....and a 1500m runner who is an effective 800m man is a hell of a lot more deadly than an 800m runner who is an effective 1500m man.

The rule is you have to run hard enough that Ches isn't adjusting his shorts/singlet or wiping his nose every 40 meters, that's when he's uncomfortable.

I'm a big fan of guys like Geohegan/Jenkins who came from modest running backgrounds, they act with class because they've been beaten badly before. Cheserek can't handle that, he was untouchable in high school aside form LV and blamed losing to Korolev and Jenkins as "not really trying". Obviously he was more gracious losing to Lalang twice but it seems that if you're not a fellow 13:00 5k, multiple time NCAA Champ from Kenya Cherserek won't take you seriously and makes excuses why he couldn't beat you.

I hope Jenkins blows him out of the water in the 5k at NCAAs and somebody like Callahan rips him a new one in the 1500.

He'll likely win XC next year though with a similar slow first 4.5 miles.

Our race recap is here:http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/04/villanovas-jordan-williamsz-takes-down-oregons-edward-cheserek-in-riveting-but-bizarre-mens-4-x-mile-at-2015-penn-relays/

avidviewer wrote:

Those tactics in the Penn men's 4x1 Mile were the most ridiculous I've ever seen. They almost came to a stop. Oregon deserved to lose. The entire Oregon program should be humiliated. That was ugly.

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Old Ultra Guy wrote:

Does any coach advise racing, in a major event, like we just saw Ches?

You let everyone back in the race just jogging along, that's when someone steps on your heel, and then you are down on the track in last place.

I can't imagine the blow-back I would have gotten in HS or college if I had run a leg like Ches just did.

I disagree. First of all as a fan. I LOVED THE ANCHOR. SO INTERESTING AND FUN TO WATCH. Time trials are what killing the sport spectator

In terms of tactics, I think you guys are wrong about this one. I thought pretty much everyone tried to so smart things. First of all, at the end of leg #3, the nova guy handed off in 2nd on purporse.

Then on the anchor, cheserek tried to MAKE williamsz lead. He ran the first turn in lane 2 and williamsz smartly refused to lead. Cheserek thought if he slowed it up, eventually someone else would lead. No one really did.

Why would Cheserek have any reason to doubt his kick? HEs' the NCAA mile champion. He's won everything the exact same way - wait until 300 or 200 to go and then kill it.

He didn't let anyone else in it. Yes, he could have fallen. But the fact of the matter is he was going to beat everyone in that race but Williamsz. The two 3:36 guys got the sticks together 4 seconds up on everyone else. They can outkick everyone in that field no matter if it's a 3:50, 4:00, 4:10, 4:20 or 4:30 race.

In hindsight, yes, i can say, he should have made the pace more honest or kicked from farther out. But that's easy to say now. If he leads in to the wind , he's basicallyi rabbiting another 3:36 guy. If he lost that way, you critics would be ripping him for that.

A fun race.

Can we say though after this loss today that Eric Jenkins definitely beat him indoors ?

Speaking of Jenkins, where the hell is he? Is he hurt?

HOOKEM wrote:

Not leading isn't a bad strategy, I think it's more that refusing to lead to the point where you come to a near stop is a completely different thing.

Can't disagree with that. You usually don't want to lead unless you're decisively the best time trialist in the field, but this fiasco was the illegitimate offspring of that normally sound strategy. Wonder if Cheserek learned anything.

I don't think he really cares what you all think. Do I hate these tactics? Of course I do. But he's going to win more track national championships. He'll win cross country nationals. You can't argue with so many trophies. Maybe someone should outkick him. Or someone should grind it out. He will also win the grind out. HE'S THE BEST DISTANCE RUNNER (besides Jenkins possibly). He will win a 5k at 13:10 pace, or 15:10 pace. And for any race. Why does he need to run a 12:50 in late April anyway?

Trialswatcher wrote:

You probably see it because of all the guys left in the NCAA , Williamzs is one of the few, is any actually that owns a 1:46.x scratch mark at 800M, he ran it in a summer meet after the season.he also relayed 1:46 at World Relays .

But he is not an 800 runner, really. Just a 1500M runner who can run 800M effectively enough.

Semi debatable. He ran a 3:36 3 years ago and in that year it wouldn't be a question. Last year he ran a 1:46 or but didn't break 3:40 despite multiple attempts. At least last year he was a better 800 guy than he was a 1500 guy

John McDonnell would literally have murdered me had I done that.

Screw Nova, they need to get some americans before I give them any respect!

Do you think Pre would pull that kind of stunt back in the day? Hell no. Pre is turning over in the grave right now. If he was alive today, he would be ripping a new ahole out of Ches.

Maybe..... wrote:

Trialswatcher wrote:

You probably see it because of all the guys left in the NCAA , Williamzs is one of the few, is any actually that owns a 1:46.x scratch mark at 800M, he ran it in a summer meet after the season.he also relayed 1:46 at World Relays .

But he is not an 800 runner, really. Just a 1500M runner who can run 800M effectively enough.

Semi debatable. He ran a 3:36 3 years ago and in that year it wouldn't be a question. Last year he ran a 1:46 or but didn't break 3:40 despite multiple attempts. At least last year he was a better 800 guy than he was a 1500 guy

Jordy is an 800 runner. There's a reason why his last 4 races in 2014 at his peak were 3 800's and a 1k. You'll see the same thing year come summer.