Maton runs 2 mile in 9:03 as an unattached athlete in San Francisco

legitly curious wrote:

not sure of details wrote:

He apparently has been kicked off the team.

What for? Seems like it'd have to be pretty bad to boot someone that good.

What is California's policy on unattached athletes? You must be a HS athlete to run at the meets in my state.

It was a collegiate/open meet, not a high school meet. To answer your question, however, if he wanted to run in a high school meet (say, Arcadia), then he can't run unattached.

agc5k wrote:

Maton still runs for Summit. He probably was just with his family in SanFran and decided to run the 2 mile while there. He popped a 154 800 earlier this season for Summit. That was 2 weeks ago though. I think he is racing seldom just for the sake of peaking in June.

No. He doesn't. He has been kicked off the team. Nice random speculation on your part though, with no facts whatsoever to back it up.

What a shame that he apparently won't be running in the 2 mile race at Arcadia or in the Dream Mile.

You don't kick a national caliber runner off your team for doing jumping jacks or warming up on their own on an optional workout day.

I'm sure his coaches do hold a grudge about NXN. I probably would too if he skipped running with his team on the biggest stage in their own backyard so he could go drop anchor in a race he made a pact to do with his twitter-friends.

His coaches supposedly planning for him to do Footlocker is likely a load of bs as well. It's more likely that his coaches were being heavily pressured by Maton's parents to prepare to run FL and they could see that was the only way to keep Matthew and his parents happy. Then when Summit qualified for NXN, and would have been one of the top teams there with him, the coaches true feelings probably started to emerge.

This is a fail on both sides of the coin; the coaches and either Matthew or more likely his parents. Parent's need to let coaches coach without trying to pull the strings behind the scenes, and coaches need to be firm and not try to appease parents just because it's easier in the moment.

HS coaching is tough when you're dealing with phenoms.

Matthew was kicked off of his team because he had decided to do his own warm up on an optional day of practice during his warm up jog the head coach of the team pulled up to him in the parking lot and yelled at him for doing so he told him that he would no longer wanted him to represent summit a week later the school held a meeting for the situation and the athletic director made the head coach apologize to him Matthew opted not to go back because he was kicked of his team last year(2013) 6 weeks before footlocker and had to train himself the rest of the year all for not agreeing to do nxn as a close family friend I can tell you that he has never missed a practice and because this is the second time this has happened he has lost all trust In his coaches the coaches at summit are power hungry and is one of the reasons Travis Neuman opted not to run for summit either his senior year this is becoming a trend at summit

Holy sh*t use punctuation.

^ If that's true I don't blame him. The head coach sounds like a massive a$shole.

I doubt we will get an accurate discussion of the reasoning, as it will all be highly polarizing with each side not telling the whole story.

My thoughts are that this optional workout warmup story or whatever was seen as a "last straw" and not the only thing to get under the coach's ass, but also that the coach is completely overreacting.

I don't fault him at all for running Footlocker - as a teammate or a coach I would be the biggest supporter of his decision to go race for the national title.. If he was dodging out of practices, which is a big if, then that would bother me, however.

I usually have no problem reading through bad grammar but this post was a real challenge. I'm not sure what all is being said.

Maybe he was not attending classes.

Maybe the coaches were fed-up with his mother deciding his races.

Could be a list of things.

No "I" in team.

His mom never tried to decide his races. the policy at summit is if you miss a class you miss the meet not get kicked off.

Do YOU think he is or was a team player???

Sounds about right. Maybe the coach is a hothead, maybe not - you can't have one runner go off and "do his own thing" just because he feels like it while the rest of your team does something else. Sounds like there was a lot of tension behind this though. I'd get mad if my top runner just decided he didn't want to warm up with the other guys because he thought he was too good for them. But I wouldn't kick him off the team for it, unless he'd been a major pain in the @$$ for a long time.

Sometimes you DO need to cut loose a really talented but toxic team member. I don't know what was happening in this situation, but I have seen cases where it absolutely makes sense to boot a very talented athlete because they ruin the team atmosphere for everyone else.

What a bizarre relationship. Both parties will probably be better for parting ways.

Yes I believe he was, he was always there at the end of the meets was a great friend to his teammates and was always there to jump in the 4x4 if needed

How come he didn't run with the team in the NXN cross-country??

jumping jack flash wrote:

Parent's need to let coaches coach without trying to pull the strings behind the scenes, and coaches need to be firm and not try to appease parents just because it's easier in the moment.

Not when coaches are trying to force bad choices on their children.

Thanks for sharing those details.

In Maton's case must have been some good choices by the coaching staff

as he ran a 4:03 mile, plus broke Rupp's xc course record by 10 seconds