bay area jogger kicks and kills off-leash dog

I've been putting Obama bumper stickers on obvious Republican cars where I live... amazing how long it takes for them to notice (some more than 3wks).

Personally I wouldn't kick a dog unless it was biting me, but that guy had the right to do it. Dog was supposed to be on a leash. Doesn't matter that the woman said she was about to put the dog on a leash...nope...too bad. Dog was supposed to already be on the leash.

I have a dog and love dogs, but dogs are not people. People before dogs.

Some people have phobias of dogs, and you just can't let them roam free, or expect that everyone will love your dog like you do, especially in an area where they are supposed to be on a leash. That runner had every expectation that all dogs there would be leashed. She took a risk by letting the dog off the leash. That dog's death is on her hands.

right....until you step on it and roll your ankle or tear your ACL.

Pugs Are wrote:

The pug "came at him?" Pugs are one of the friendliest of all breeds, enthusiastically so. The pug wanted to say the hello. No pug will ever hurt you. The "jogger's" a dick.

Flagpole wrote:

Personally I wouldn't kick a dog unless it was biting me, but that guy had the right to do it. Dog was supposed to be on a leash. Doesn't matter that the woman said she was about to put the dog on a leash...nope...too bad. Dog was supposed to already be on the leash.

I have a dog and love dogs, but dogs are not people. People before dogs.

Some people have phobias of dogs, and you just can't let them roam free, or expect that everyone will love your dog like you do, especially in an area where they are supposed to be on a leash. That runner had every expectation that all dogs there would be leashed. She took a risk by letting the dog off the leash. That dog's death is on her hands.

The court might decide he didn't have the right to do it. Excessive force has been a pretty hot topic lately, and the dog wasn't wearing a hoodie.

been there before wrote:

The real story here is how much of a pvssy the owner of the dog is. Sounds they didn't do anything. Someone tried to kick in the direction of my dog once they got a bloody nose and a warning. If you're scared of dogs don't run on trails where dogs are frequently running. If you choose to do so I reserve the right to swing my fists in your direction if you abuse something that isnt yours.

I think I speak for the group when I say that nobody is believing your phoney toughguy story.

PTO wrote:

Any dog comes at me while running I will defend myself any way possible even bashing it with rock.

Homey don't play that game.

You got that right. I'd much rather punch the shit out of the owner but, unless the OWNER runs at me barking and snarling, I guess I'm gonna have to kick the everloving piss out of any dog that runs up to me in a threatening manner. That includes a pug or a chihuaha - if I make a flash decision that this dog MIGHT bite me then it's gonna get kicked.

Another thing: I run through a park that has a fenced-in dog park where owners are to be able to let their dogs roam around off-leash. Cool. I'm all for it. But there are complete idiot owners that, right next to that fenced in area, let their dogs run around off-leash though there are signs saying it is against park rules. Zero sympathy or leeway for these f*nuts. Dog's gonna get smashed. I will admit that it seems that the ones that let their dogs off-leash there seem to have very well-behaved dogs. Just takes one. Seems dumb to me as if your dog bit someone off-leash there you'd have no leg to stand on and would have your ass sued.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Puppy love wrote:

The dog owner was definitely in the wrong. Should the dog have been kicked? That depends on who you believe. The jogger says the dog came at him. When that happens to me, the dog gets kicked.

Paws up. Don't kick.

Beautiful.

I was 'attacked' by 2 dogs this past Monday while runnng some trails that is frequented by people walking their dogs. Most of these people feel it OK to let their dogs run off leash. Admittedly, a lot of these dogs go right past me within inches and never look twice. Monday I came upon 2 pretty aggessive labs, yes labs, that jumped on me trying to get a bite. The owners were nearby and panicked of course.

I didn't stop to listen to how the dogs "had never done anything like that before" from the a$$hole owners, I just kept on running.

I will also add that I probably would not have kicked a small dog like that. I would have wanted to but wouldn't do it. It is even more fun to let them get kinda close and then lunge and let out a good sharp yell. Most small dogs will fall all over themselves to run away. I've used this on medium sized dogs also with success.

If that doesn't work, then kick away.

Flagpole wrote:

Personally I wouldn't kick a dog unless it was biting me, but that guy had the right to do it. Dog was supposed to be on a leash. Doesn't matter that the woman said she was about to put the dog on a leash...nope...too bad. Dog was supposed to already be on the leash.

I have a dog and love dogs, but dogs are not people. People before dogs.

Some people have phobias of dogs, and you just can't let them roam free, or expect that everyone will love your dog like you do, especially in an area where they are supposed to be on a leash. That runner had every expectation that all dogs there would be leashed. She took a risk by letting the dog off the leash. That dog's death is on her hands.

Yes, the owner should know better, and I do hate owners that try to make their own rules with dogs. But kicking a pug to death??? Pugs are barely dogs. They are like cross between a fluffy stuffed animal and house cat. Anyone wussy enough, or A-hole enough to do this is one sad idiot. Yell at the dog, yell at the owner, tell the owner to get their little gizmo creature away from you, but to immediately boot hard in the head is lame. Period. (and pugs get out of breath in 1 minute. Geez, was his 11 min per mile pace not enough to get him to safety in time?)

As far "Some people have phobias of dogs", some people have phobias of short, middle aged, bald dudes (ConstanzaPhobia). If you kinda sneak up on me and get too close when you go to say hi, do I have a right to kick you in the head if I have this fear?

I didn't say what the guy did wasn't lame. I, in fact said that it's not something I would do (so, you should realize then that it was lame as I don't do lame things). Still though, he had the right to do it. And, no, since I am a person, you don't have the right to kick me in the head just for appearing.

Phobias of dogs is very common. That dog was protected by the leash law, and the owner decided the law didn't apply to her and her dog. This is what happens. She was in the wrong and stumbled across the wrong guy. No one knows how many times this runner has been attacked by dogs or anything about him. She has no one to blame but herself. I don't think this guy is a hero. Sounds like a big pu$$y to me, but again, person > dog.

did you even read the story? he came around a corner "QUICKLY"! no time to think (just react) when doing a tempo at 4:50 pace.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

(and pugs get out of breath in 1 minute. Geez, was his 11 min per mile pace not enough to get him to safety in time?)

when little dogs try to attack me i always find great joy in just picking up the pace and outrunning the sucker while taunting it and laughing merrily down the road.

it's a great way to stretch out your legs a bit and it's good knowing you just scorched a mangy little mutt and hopefully crushed his ego lollll

all the same, for this guy, who probably wasn't fit enough to outrun a small dog with minimal effort, a light kick with the intensity of passing a soccer ball probably would have sufficed.

You make it sound like this guy was in SF and the dog was an insurgent. "No time to think, just react. It's the training it makes you move of a machine than a man." IT WAS A PUG! I'm picturing that d-bag car salesman from True Lies.

might be the OP wrote:

did you even read the story? he came around a corner "QUICKLY"! no time to think (just react) when doing a tempo at 4:50 pace.

Tyrannosaurus Rexing wrote:

(and pugs get out of breath in 1 minute. Geez, was his 11 min per mile pace not enough to get him to safety in time?)

Puppy love wrote:

The dog owner was definitely in the wrong. Should the dog have been kicked? That depends on who you believe. The jogger says the dog came at him. When that happens to me, the dog gets kicked.

I agree - the dog owner was completely at fault. She's probably the type of owner who lets her dog shit in public and doesn't clean it up if nobody is around to see it

The one pug that I know is my uncle's and it is the sweetest, gentlest dog I know, almost never barks, but jumps on people out of excitement and does not ever harm anyone, even my two year old. So, I have to say that while usually I would be completely in sympathy with the jogger, in this case I'm dubious.

asap rocky wrote:

as a super sleuth could likely put info together and identify the runner, i'll keep this somewhat ambiguous: I had a super talented teammate back in the early 90's from a hardcore border town in texas. we were training in a state much further north and west before school began in the fall. we were on a long run, and were attacked by a german shepherd and a Doberman. both dogs were notorious for forcing runners to stop when we ran by the house on numerous previous occasions. for some reason, this time they attacked. this specific runner was bitten pretty bad. we finished the run, him and another guy bleeding. this specific runner went back and shot both dogs. I kid you not. we were all pretty shocked. this was back in the days before crazy gun violence, etc.

That was actually at the end of the era of very high murder rates in this country.

I don't know the particulars of this case, but I have kicked and killed an off leash dog when I was running. It was a doberman. It was snarling. The owner tried to get me prosecuted and the police laughed at him. If your dog is off leash, you are breaking the law. Simple.

Adults who are afraid of dogs are a curiosity.