Can Fisher get Webb's 3:53 high school mile record?

Ummm...did you know that your trolling skills are very weak? Try harder next time, 'k...

Closer to Fine wrote:

Ummm...did you know that your trolling skills are very weak? Try harder next time, 'k...

I think people need to narrow the type of comments that they identify as "trolling". Not everything that annoys you or that you don't understand is a troll. Sometimes people just write weird shit. Deal with it turkey.

Oops, I posted using the wrong trolling nic. My bad.

pootmcklunksky wrote:

Oops, I posted using the wrong trolling nic. My bad.

Me too.

Ha ha.. I've posted under most of the nics on this tread...suckers.

Alright. This thread is officially retarded.

It was officially retarded when the question was first asked by the OP.

Rupp never got his degree (Bach) at Oregon?

Rupp never finished a degree at UofO. He fell about one-year short, credit-wise. It's been more than 5-years since he "finished" (athletic eligibility) so it is likely earning a degree was not important to him.

Did not finish wrote:

whoop wrote:

Webb was a college dropout, not a burnout.

What about "student" athletes who compete in college for four years, but dropout out and fail to ever get a degree, like Rupp?

Um, that should be "student" athletes who compete in "clown kollege" for four years and fail to complete three years of credit in a cupcake major, like rupp.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

Rupp never got his degree (Bach) at Oregon?

Rupp had to drop out. He wasn't able to finish the easiest major at one of the easiest schools in the world. Rupp had no more business being in college than any nappy head thug linebacker at LSU.

Undegreed wrote:

Rupp never finished a degree at UofO. He fell about one-year short, credit-wise. It's been more than 5-years since he "finished" (athletic eligibility) so it is likely earning a degree was not important to him.

It is amazing that a mental midget like Rupp could even qualify for NCAA eligibility. There must have been some Oregon style bribery going on at the compliance office. The state of Oregon should be embarrassed to have such an incredibly low level school as its flagship university.

His only chance is at Pre Classic. There's no way he can get it in a HS race in a New York City summer.

No, he will probably run 3:56 for his PR. I can't see him running that fast outdoors. He's not as quick as Webb.

Heat and Humility wrote:

His only chance is at Pre Classic. There's no way he can get it in a HS race in a New York City summer.

The Michigan state meet in May 30th. I'd be very surprised if he blew off the state meet to run Pre-Classic, but I could be wrong.

He can do it there. He went 4:02.02 last year, and is clearly on another level this year.If he doesn't nearly go down and then run his last 60m at 5:30 pace, he runs 4:01.0 last weekend. (Went through 1409m at 3:33.5 and was likely finishing around 27.5 there- he was hammering through the turn, not dying.)So he can run 60 second 400m pace for a mile... all by himself... on a banked 200m track... in March... while training through a Michigan winter.Wait til he's able to get some real quality training in outdoors. Maybe hit some nice hilly trails. Maybe run a couple hard 800m races. Start doing some real speedwork.It's scary how good his performance was the other night. And his form looked GREAT.

Heat and Humility wrote:

His only chance is at Pre Classic. There's no way he can get it in a HS race in a New York City summer.

Your observation is bang on. Grant Fisher's NB Indoor mile was special, very special given he solo ran from the gun, and as stated - indoor 200 m track, harsh MI winter etc.

IMO Webb's time is not approachable. Perhaps Grant has the talent to reach Webb's 3:53 but let us all hope that that comes down the road in college and not while in high school. The level of his talent is undeniable; however, the amount of training required to bring young talent to that level at 17 (which Fisher still is) has happened just once (unsure what Webb's age was at the time) and in a pro race. To try and make a push to that level would not be the best long term development strategy for any kid.

From previous posts, clearly his coach has Fishers long term development at the forefront of his training philosophy and has steered clear of over training the young man.

Stanford is getting one of the most talented middle distance HS runners I have ever seen and there he will develop further.

Sub four looks to be possible and some may argue highly probable or not. The fact that he is hovering around that level, in and of itself, is remarkable.

Good luck to Grant this outdoor season!

Do we really have a situation where everyone assumes that Fisher is going sub 4 outdoors?

I wouldn't argue with that, but in the past predicting that the next phenom would go sub 4 usually made people look foolish. Now it seems like everyone's on board.

NOP Skeptic wrote:

I'm not even going to read the other post in this thread

NO!

Does he have the potential? Yes, but look at how hard Webb was training relative to how Grant is training now; If Grant was training that hard I say he has a chance, but his coach is trying to be conservative which in my opinion is the best option down the road, he doesn't need to be another college burn out

Grant is going to run 3:58 outdoors, go to Standord, have a solid 4 years, maybe a couple NCAA championships, and then be a contender for the U.S. 1500m as a pro

If the above is going to happen, I don't think pushing his body to the well for his SR year of school to try and get 3:53 (in which he still might not even get) just for the heck of it is the best route

Webb won US titles, Diamond League races, was an Olympian, an American record holder in multiple events, US leader in lots of events, and yet "a couple NCAA titles and contending for the US 1500 as a pro" won't happen for Grant if he trains that hard.

What could you be basing that comment on?