aaron krohn wrote:
Nothing new!
How about explaining why she didn't run USATF, and ran poorly all indoor season?
Like I said, nothing new!
She is hurting from growing pains. Last paragraph.
aaron krohn wrote:
Nothing new!
How about explaining why she didn't run USATF, and ran poorly all indoor season?
Like I said, nothing new!
She is hurting from growing pains. Last paragraph.
wizardstaff wrote:
totally broken wrote:The article reads like a diligently researched piece by someone who doesn't have a clue about running.
It's a bit like Laura Hillenbrand writes.
As runners, we ought to be happy Hillenbrand even bothered to write about Zamperini's athletic career.
you can read about it elsewhere without all the over the top creative writing.
LI Runner wrote:
Yes, I thought it was a great article.
Two questions:
When MC was a junior, the article mentioned she would go to practice and the coach did not give her any workouts, she basically trained on her own. First I heard of this and it is hard to believe. I don't think it went down that way.
Article talks about Tim Noakes' "Central governor", like it is a proven theory. Is it?
As a fellow NYer, I am a big fan of MC and wish her the best.
Obviously, you are only getting one side of the story. When you are a coach, you have a whole team to worry about and I can see a situation where the parents where primarily focused on Mary. A star athlete can be a pain in the butt, I know because I've dealt with a similar situation myself and was made out to be the bad guy. Btw, Bronxsville program was good before Mary and is still good to this day.
Enjoyed the article
strummin along wrote:
Had no idea that Alberto won an Ultra in the early 90's too.
Yes he trained with the Tarahumara in his homeland in his build up to the race.
Immoral Minority wrote:
This part of the article nauseated me as well. Why do religious people - or people who aren\'t religious, for that matter - constantly feel the need to express these types of things. To each his own when it comes to spirituality and/or superstition, but keep it to yourself.
This post is unbelievably hypocritical.
I thought it was interesting that Salazar expects her to run 3:55 and thinks she could get down to 3:52. Cain is a huge talent, no doubt, but no clean runner has even approached 3:52; it would be similar to a man running 3:24 or 3:23 which I don't see happening for a long time.
I'm not interested in Benito or in Al Sal's hyperbolic predictions. We'll know the rest when she tries to qualify for World's in late spring and early summer.
aaron krohn wrote:
Nothing new!
(Unless you call Al's prediction she'll run 3:52 someday "new"!)
How about explaining why she didn't run USATF, and ran poorly all indoor season?
How about telling us if she's going to marry Benito, and why she's going with a younger man?
How about telling us her racing schedule for this year?
Like I said, nothing new!
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Cain is a huge talent, no doubt, but no clean runner has even approached 3:52
The record is 3:50.46
Correct, but as stated, it's pretty common knowledge that the 3:50.46 WR wasn't run "clean" - hence why he said that "co clean runner has even approached 3:52"
not really - if she makes the team, great, but if she fails, she's still just an 18 year old runner. Was jenny simpson or Morgan uceny or shannon rowbury relevant nationally at age 18? I doubt it (but I'm not sure)Point is, MC is training at 70% an elite level - if she fails at age 18 it doesn't mean too much long term.
alanson wrote:
I'm not interested in Benito or in Al Sal's hyperbolic predictions. We'll know the rest when she tries to qualify for World's in late spring and early summer.
aaron krohn wrote:Nothing new!
(Unless you call Al's prediction she'll run 3:52 someday "new"!)
How about explaining why she didn't run USATF, and ran poorly all indoor season?
How about telling us if she's going to marry Benito, and why she's going with a younger man?
How about telling us her racing schedule for this year?
Like I said, nothing new!
records check wrote:
Jonathan Gault wrote:Cain is a huge talent, no doubt, but no clean runner has even approached 3:52
The record is 3:50.46
I know. My point was that Salazar said he thinks she might be able to run 3:52.
I'm glad the NY Times is giving the sport some publicity but didn't like a lot of things about the article.1) To me, a big elephant in the room is why didn't Cain run for the super successful Bronx team in HS and the article came up way short in answering that.: I've heard a lot of speculation over the years but never heard anything close to definitive. This article certainly came up way short on answering that question. The way the author described it was unbelievable to me:
NYT wrote:
For Cain’s sophomore year, the high-school athletic department decided that she would be better off training with the boys’ coach. But according to New York State high-school sports rules, a girl can’t compete against girls if she trains exclusively with boys. Not wanting to risk Cain’s eligibility, the school switched her back to training under the girls’ coach at the start of her junior year. By this point, however, Cain had outgrown her high-school program.
Her needs departed so wildly from those of the other runners that the coach, for reasons that nobody would talk about, didn’t even prescribe workouts for her. “She’d show up to practice and do her own thing,” her father told me. “It was heartbreaking to be a parent of a kid who has all this potential and see her not getting any coaching at all.”
That is worded so weird. The HS athletic department 'decides she would be better off training the boys.' Why? Cause she didn't get along with her teammates, she or her parents didn't like the coaches, the coaches didn't like her, etc? Cain's older sister had been on the team so I'm assuming there likely is a back-story there that was totally missed.
The author admits no-one will talk about but I feel like it's her job to figure it out. Either figure out why or don't act like she was simply abandoned by the coaching staff. Just ignore it or get to the bottom of it. Don't present 2 paragraphs that make little sense.
2) I thought many training theories were stated as fact when they aren't fact and many that are fact were stated as open to debate.:
For example, this is stated as a fact.
NYT wrote:
Gone, too, is the outdated idea that the best way to make a girl run faster is to make her skinnier, so that she carries fewer pounds around the track. The dominant philosophy now is that girls, like all other runners, should train to become very strong by lifting heavy weights. Running mechanics are fairly simple: Speed comes from a foot hitting the ground, loading with energy, like a spring, then exploding off with propulsive power.
I've never known it was a fact that people should lift heavy weights, and do believe many runners - both men and women - are still very much concerned with weight..
Yet look what was viewed as not a fact
NYT wrote:
She lays her head in while she sleeps, to mimic the low-oxygen atmosphere found at high altitude. (Some runners believe that breathing low-oxygen air will boost their performance.)
The author even put that in parenthesis ().
3) I thought the author came up most short in the fact that she talked a lot about doped up records, talked a lot about Mary Slaney, but didn't talk about Slaney's doping positive and her being coached by Salazar.
Perhaps the legal department at the Times didn't want her to go there but how can Slaney's doping suspension not be mentioned?
There had to be one line in there like "Late in her career, Slaney, who was coached by Salazar, was convicted of a doping offense."
(I believe Salazar may deny he was the coaching her at the time)
Now it's easy for me to say that has to be in there when I'll admit I'm guilty of not following up on this myself. At the Armory Track Invite press conference, Cain once again talked about idolizing Slaney.
I should have asked her something about doping, "Does it make you a little uncomfortable that Slaney was eventually convicted of a doping offense and also was coach by your coach?"
I'm sure Cain would either not comment or say it was a contested finding but it just seems that the Times glossed over Slaney's doping but talked a lot about it for Chinese. I mean how do you talk about doped records, slaney, but not mention Slaney's doping and Salazar's coaching of Slaney?
-Rojo
Jonathan Gault wrote:
records check wrote:The record is 3:50.46
I know. My point was that Salazar said he thinks she might be able to run 3:52.
If you knew that, why did you say otherwise?
aaron_rodgers_is_god wrote:
Correct, but as stated, it's pretty common knowledge that the 3:50.46 WR wasn't run "clean" - hence why he said that "co clean runner has even approached 3:52"
That's not pretty common knowledge. The IAAF recognizes it as a legitimate record.
records check wrote:
aaron_rodgers_is_god wrote:Correct, but as stated, it's pretty common knowledge that the 3:50.46 WR wasn't run "clean" - hence why he said that "co clean runner has even approached 3:52"
That's not pretty common knowledge. The IAAF recognizes it as a legitimate record.
It seems to be pretty common knowledge to everyone in this thread except you.
Honestly who the fvck cares?! Cain and Al Dopezar are overrated hacks.
I like that they opened up the piece with her 4 x 800 leg from 2011. I wouldn't expect the author to see and point out the irony of how beautiful Cain's form was in that race and how much Salazar has turned her form into that of a robot with no elasticity.
I agree with Salazar that form is paramount to reaching one's potential, but I wish he knew what he was doing considering he's been trusted with the greatest female runner of all-time from the U.S.
Another HS Coach wrote:
I agree with Salazar that form is paramount to reaching one's potential, but I wish he knew what he was doing considering he's been trusted with the greatest female runner of all-time from the U.S.
right, because Mo has been carp since he joined salazar, and Centro only won one medal and Moser came back from the freaking dead - but how many medals has she won?, and Rowbury only won two events at USATF indoors. And Rupp - where was he this season? what a joke. And that canadian hack with the hair - what has he done lately? Probably nothing.
you're right man - I too wish salazar knew what he was doing in the mid d. .
Somthing did happen between Cain and her coach in late 2012 before Al Sal made the call to her home.
No one wants to talk about it and maybe it is best. Just move on and not get into small fights on the internet