Oof.
If correct, many posters in this thread shall need to apologize to the OP.
Oof.
If correct, many posters in this thread shall need to apologize to the OP.
What do you mean didn't get a drug test in on time? How is it up to her to have that done? Pretty bogus if you ask me, if true. Everyone was aware she was going after the record every race she was in.
why would the Diamond League care about an AR? do you actually think it is the official's responsibility to know when a national record is set?.
not weird wrote:
why would the Diamond League care about an AR? do you actually think it is the official's responsibility to know when a national record is set?.
It was an area record though so they might care about that
Thanks for the info - kind of sad that it was just labeled "rejected" with no further explanation.
When she gets second at a DL British meet, runs the 2 or 3 fastest time of the year in the world, and the entire broadcast was about her going after the AR, then yes I'd assume they would care about it. It's not like she set the NR for Lithuania or other no name country. If Justin Gaitlin ran the AR at a DL you can be sure someone would care.
weird wrote:
What do you mean didn't get a drug test in on time? How is it up to her to have that done? Pretty bogus if you ask me, if true. Everyone was aware she was going after the record every race she was in.
Well you can place the blame on her agent if you want, but whether or not you agree with the rules, they are pretty clear. The responsibility for these things falls on the athletes, USATF cannot be expected to chase athletes all over Europe and make sure every meet they attend meets all of the rules perfectly and that athletes pee in a cup.
Jeff Hartwig's Indoor American Pole Vault Record, which was set in Europe, was never ratified because no one ever told him he had to submit it for ratification. He found out like 10 years after the fact and couldn't get all of the necessary documentation.
I do think that if you are an athlete that has an agent, it is reasonable to expect your agent is going to be aware of all of these rules and will help you make sure everything gets taken care of...
No, it was because the wood on top of the steeple was not ratified. Usually they use Ipe, a very hard wood. The pine that they used gave too much and flexed .0000000001 inches when touched, giving her an advantage versus knocking done her hot body in the water pit. True story.
north atlantic wrote:
...for the lack of a drug test afterwards
Can anyone verify this?
If true that's a real shame - multiple foulups.
We are reaching out to her for a statement to confirm this is all true.
When I saw this thread I initially thought, "Well this really is on her agent for not setting up a test." After Lopez Lomong set the American indoor 5000 mark in NYC, I was out eating with his agent Tom Ratcliffe who was setting up the drug testing within the 24 hr period.
But then I realized Coburn has no agent. She is her own agent. So she likely didn't know she needed to set up the test. In the future, let's hope USATF reminds the athletes without agents about the rule.
polevaultpower wrote:
weird wrote:What do you mean didn't get a drug test in on time? How is it up to her to have that done? Pretty bogus if you ask me, if true. Everyone was aware she was going after the record every race she was in.
Well you can place the blame on her agent if you want, but whether or not you agree with the rules, they are pretty clear. The responsibility for these things falls on the athletes, USATF cannot be expected to chase athletes all over Europe and make sure every meet they attend meets all of the rules perfectly and that athletes pee in a cup.
Jeff Hartwig's Indoor American Pole Vault Record, which was set in Europe, was never ratified because no one ever told him he had to submit it for ratification. He found out like 10 years after the fact and couldn't get all of the necessary documentation.
I do think that if you are an athlete that has an agent, it is reasonable to expect your agent is going to be aware of all of these rules and will help you make sure everything gets taken care of...
Don't see how getting drug tested is on the athlete. If USATF wants athletes tested then yes, they can fly around the world.
Randy Oldman wrote:
Allyson Felix's world junior record of 22.11 in 2003 was not ratified for that reason.
No Diamond League in 2003. You are thinking of the far superior Golden League but is was actually in a smaller meet in Mexico
weird wrote:
Don't see how getting drug tested is on the athlete. If USATF wants athletes tested then yes, they can fly around the world.
The way things are and the way things should be are often miles apart. I don't think athletes should have to worry about any of this crap, but the reality is that they do, until someone comes up with a better system and can get the rules changed.
I also think the records committee ought to be putting WHY records were rejected in their report, especially Open T&F records.
One of the downsides of being your own agent. She just cost herself money.
Les wrote:
One of the downsides of being your own agent. She just cost herself money.
Or if USATF just cared about the US athletes a bit it wouldn't have been an issue.
She made HUGE improvement in 2014
Maybe she "forgot" the drug test
TrackCoach wrote:
north atlantic wrote:...for the lack of a drug test afterwards
Can anyone verify this?
If true that's a real shame - multiple foulups.
It could be that one of the steeples was in the wrong position, I doubt it is doping controls because they test a random group of athletes at every DL meet. Perhaps it might that she specifically has to be tested for a record. Btw, there are a lot of records that are not ratified right away, therefore it could just be timing.
If she wasn't in the testing pool someone in her camp should have requested a drug test, which is what they had to do when Webb set the American mile record. Also, most meet directors know ahead of time when there is a record attempt and will make sure everything is in order. Perhaps they don't do this for every country, but I know that they do it for some. I know Mo has been tested at all of his UK records.
rojo wrote:
We are reaching out to her for a statement to confirm this is all true.
When I saw this thread I initially thought, "Well this really is on her agent for not setting up a test." After Lopez Lomong set the American indoor 5000 mark in NYC, I was out eating with his agent Tom Ratcliffe who was setting up the drug testing within the 24 hr period.
But then I realized Coburn has no agent. She is her own agent. So she likely didn't know she needed to set up the test. In the future, let's hope USATF reminds the athletes without agents about the rule.
It would be interesting to hear her explain why she has chosen to be her own agent. She seems like one of the few T&F athletes with the potential to make real money from consumer product endorsements, but it's hard to see that happening without an agent to help things along.
TrackCoach wrote:
It could be that one of the steeples was in the wrong position,.
What the heck is a "steeple"?
north atlantic wrote:
...for the lack of a drug test afterwards
Can anyone verify this?
If true that's a real shame - multiple foulups.
My sources are confirming that the OP is correct, that Emma's record was not ratified for lack of a drug test afterward.
How unfortunate :(
weird wrote:
If Justin Gaitlin ran the AR at a DL you can be sure someone would care.
I guess an AR from history's strongest sprinting country is a little more interesting than a women's AR over the little-hurdles 3000. (Not even worthy of being called a steeplechase.)