Cheserek would currently win in a head-to-head against Galen Rupp...just listen.

Gosh dang it...First, lost plenty of times is an exaggeration. When he did lose, it was either due to coming back from an injury or a break from training because he was focusing on grades. He was nearly unbeatable as a sophomore in HS! Verzbicas as a senior beat Cheserek, when he was a sophomore, at FL (or NXN?), but that was his only lose when healthy and well trained... He was as far ahead of the competition in HS as he is in college. This wasn't an instantaneous thing. Again, no evidence against Oregon, nothing substantial. Direct me to some demonstrable evidence - articles, lawsuits, etc.

JustMaybe wrote:

Gosh dang it...First, lost plenty of times is an exaggeration. When he did lose, it was either due to coming back from an injury or a break from training because he was focusing on grades. He was nearly unbeatable as a sophomore in HS! Verzbicas as a senior beat Cheserek, when he was a sophomore, at FL (or NXN?), but that was his only lose when healthy and well trained... He was as far ahead of the competition in HS as he is in college. This wasn't an instantaneous thing. Again, no evidence against Oregon, nothing substantial. Direct me to some demonstrable evidence - articles, lawsuits, etc.

Grampa lost twice to 17 year old Jim Rosa, lost twice to 20 year old LV, and lost to 17 year old Bernie Montoya and 10 other kids in the dream mile. Like it was truthfully stated in an earlier post, gramps lost plenty of times to kids and now that he guzzles the NOPe dope can't be beaten.

JustMaybe wrote:

Gosh dang it...First, lost plenty of times is an exaggeration. When he did lose, it was either due to coming back from an injury or a break from training because he was focusing on grades. He was nearly unbeatable as a sophomore in HS! Verzbicas as a senior beat Cheserek, when he was a sophomore, at FL (or NXN?), but that was his only lose when healthy and well trained... He was as far ahead of the competition in HS as he is in college. This wasn't an instantaneous thing. Again, no evidence against Oregon, nothing substantial. Direct me to some demonstrable evidence - articles, lawsuits, etc.

Give it up guy. Ches lost to at least 13 high school kids. Granted, Verzbicas was an outrageous age cheat also, but Montoya and Rosa were only 17. A 10 second drop in Ches's mile time right after arriving in Eugene is pretty darn suspicious, especially for a 30 year old.

1) He isn't part of N.O.P.

2) Do you ever stop to think that Oregon has excellent coaching, facilities, recruits that provide a high level of training competition, and they attend a number of fast meets and that is why they have success as opposed to an elaborate collegiate doping scheme? I know I am probably talking to a troll or someone who couldn't sniff D1 if their life depended on it but just in case.

Xfit_guy_the_real_1 wrote:

I never got the obsession with this skinny CHEESE clown from Kenya. Yeah he is like 31 and jogs long distances....what else? Can he bench press 300#? No? I didn't think so.

Is this just a LRC in-joke or something?

dial it up wrote:

Stats Man wrote:

Grampa lost twice to 17 year old Jim Rosa, lost twice to 20 year old LV, and lost to 17 year old Bernie Montoya and 10 other kids in the dream mile. Like it was truthfully stated in an earlier post, gramps lost plenty of times to kids and now that he guzzles the NOPe dope can't be beaten.

1) He isn't part of N.O.P.

2) Do you ever stop to think that Oregon has excellent coaching, facilities, recruits that provide a high level of training competition, and they attend a number of fast meets and that is why they have success as opposed to an elaborate collegiate doping scheme? I know I am probably talking to a troll or someone who couldn't sniff D1 if their life depended on it but just in case.

You're pretty naive if you think that they don't have access to the NOP juice. But anyway, you imply that Cheserek became a world beater after a few weeks of great coaching and intrasquad competition. Those few weeks must have been pretty intense considering how often he so recently lost to kids at least 13 years younger than him.

Ches is very very good. The Lawi Lalang transitive property hypothesis is also sound. He is not far from the elite level. He could give Rupp some trouble in a non-peaked casual performance. However, even though he can close NCAA outdoor 10k super fast, he won't be able to have a fast kick in a faster race where Rupp can still maintain a fast kick. Ches is absolutely nowhere near the level of the silver Olympic medallist who two years + straight has showed sub ~26:45 fitness. There is no American in history who has been near that level. If Solinsky hadn't gotten injured (which is a huge bogus hypothetical, as the same training that got him to great heights probably took him down), maybe. There is no discussion at 10k. Maybe if Ches goes sub 27 sometime in the next 10 years. It's not a walk in the park to do, even for a talented Kenyan.

3k/5k is another similar story. Rupp is our top distance athlete. He's been competing for the upper echelons for a number of years now. 3k/5k, in championship and diamond league races, he's put himself there. Contrary to what most haters say, it is very competitive around 5k and the top studs often trade positions. Some show up one day, some don't. It's a game of statistics. Ches right now could not hang with the tactics of the top Ethiopians and Kenyans. They close those 3k/5k races viciously. E.g. if my memory serves me right, the olympic 5k was closed in 2:35, then 2:25. Even in races when it looks like it came down to a kick at the end, it is usually more prolonged and subtle than that. A kick in the NCAA is not the same as what unfolds on the Diamond League/World Championship level. Ches is not sub 12:55, Ches is not sub 7:30. End of story.

If the race is unevenly paced and Rupp is not on his game, fitness or motivation, than Ches can challenge over the mile. That's it.

No, he probably couldn't beat Rupp. Yes, he is an age cheat. Yes, Oregon has institutionalized doping. Yes, Cheserek often got thumped by high school kids. Yes, he instantly had a dramatic improvement at Oregon. No, he can't bench 300 pounds. Yes, Oregon is a clown college. Yes, he is wasting his time at Oregon.

Fire On The Track wrote:

dial it up wrote:

1) He isn't part of N.O.P.

2) Do you ever stop to think that Oregon has excellent coaching, facilities, recruits that provide a high level of training competition, and they attend a number of fast meets and that is why they have success as opposed to an elaborate collegiate doping scheme? I know I am probably talking to a troll or someone who couldn't sniff D1 if their life depended on it but just in case.

You're pretty naive if you think that they don't have access to the NOP juice. But anyway, you imply that Cheserek became a world beater after a few weeks of great coaching and intrasquad competition. Those few weeks must have been pretty intense considering how often he so recently lost to kids at least 13 years younger than him.

I didn't know that I implied that, thanks for letting me know. Ches is NOT a world beater, as I have said. I dont think he could sniff Rupp's ass in a flat out time trial or a kickers race at this point in their careers. He is a very good collegiate runner. He is a freakish talent (he was a huge talent before coming to UO) who has developed well in his 1.5 years at Oregon.

Two other questions: What exactly is the NOP juice? EPO? Sarms? GW 50? A Mystery drug? Enlighten us with your wisdom.

Also since I am so naive, where did you run D1? Since you know so much about how athletes develop. How many of your ex teammates are Nike sponsored runners since you have the inside scoop. Please don't leave all of us naive suckers in the dark.

checking reality wrote:

Yes, Oregon is a clown college.

Is that so? Pray tell me, what's Oregon's % of placement of graduates in the Circus? I call b&*llsh!ET. Have some respect for the Clowning Profession, please.

-"Bo" "Zo"

Centro\'s Sauce wrote:

doper vs. doper

^^^this. Who would even care about a race between those two cheaters.

"Even though the soft-spoken Cheserek was the 10,000-meter champion of the Great Rift Valley at Kapcherop High School and was a talented midfielder in soccer, when he enrolled at St. Benedict's, coach Marty Hannon told MaxPreps, "We heard he was a runner, but we had no idea how good he was.""

So, he had already been through high school in Kenya before he began his sophomore year in NJ high school. Because he so blatantly is an age cheat, I have no problem believing that he cheats in every other manner.

Maybe he won the race as a freshman? I'm not saying that he isn't older than he says he is, but there's really no proof either way. Saying that he's 30 is pretty ridiculous. He's at most only a few years older than the rest of his competition.

Googleit wrote:

"Even though the soft-spoken Cheserek was the 10,000-meter champion of the Great Rift Valley at Kapcherop High School and was a talented midfielder in soccer, when he enrolled at St. Benedict's, coach Marty Hannon told MaxPreps, "We heard he was a runner, but we had no idea how good he was.""

So, he had already been through high school in Kenya before he began his sophomore year in NJ high school. Because he so blatantly is an age cheat, I have no problem believing that he cheats in every other manner.

Thats because you're an idiot. My same questions above apply to you as well. Pretty large implications and slander from people with who are pulling the statements out of their ass with no evidence or coherent argument in favor of their statements.

I'm not a fan of Ches because I would rather see an actual born and raised American winning NCAA's but some of these statements are pathetic.

Another thing is that I believe I read somewhere that he was only doing 50 mpw in high school. If that's true, his progression becomes a lot less suspicious, given that he probably does double that at Oregon.

Ches is a 19yr old college kid.[/quote]

and the rest

Great thread. I have been laughing my ass off reading it.

Really some great contributors chiming in here

Does anyone have any insight on Ches or Rupp's training or workouts?

osm wrote:

Cheserek's PR is 13:18, and that was a fast race where Lalang was able to run the kick out of him. There's no evidence that he's in significantly better shape than that now. Rupp has broken 13 in the past, and he ran back to back 13:22s this year. Cheserek is a great runner who could very well have a better career than Rupp, but let's not say dumb things.

I think that about sums it up. Ches is a great NCAA athlete and that's it for now.