HUGE Student-Athlete Academic Scandal at UNC

oood wrote:

Well that's just you. Some of us actually like to watch great football players. And what does a gorgeous fall day have to do with any of this?

That's what the NFL is for.

Started in 1993 ???

Wouldn't you love to see Marion Jones' UNC transcript ?

exactly dingle. Let others support hypocrisy and the fraud that is NCAA D1 football.

Former UNC Athlete wrote:

I am a former UNC athlete and I cannot defend this. I think it is despicable. I honestly believe it happens everywhere, though.

I am surprised that baseball is involved, honestly. I can say with authority that it was not happening with soccer. if it were happening, I would have spent a hell of a lot less time studying.

Soccer is a middle-class game in the US and Canada (only). Kids tend to have attended good 'burban High Schools.

I only wonder why it took so long for one school to be exposed, when common sense and competitive human nature would tell us this kind of thing goes on, and has gone on, for at least the same amount of time among many other D1 powers. This is like the doping scandals in Professional Cycling.

My hope is this opens up a floodgate of people coming forward from other places to finally expose the fraud that is the NCAA money sports. As I said, do not mind UNC and its largely arrogant community being humbled by this, but just imagine the nervous university administrations all over America right about now. Will be interesting to watch the utter and conspicuous SILENCE and no-comments coming out of the administrations, athletic depts, and coaching staffs at the Ohio States and the Fla.States of the world in the coming days. Does anyone think a single school is going to issue a denial that this stuff never happened at their school?

I thought North Carolina was in that protected class of schools along with Notre Dame where no allegations were allowed to stick, so that the schools' images could be maintained. Of course, Penn State used to be in that club until a huge one hit for which the NCAA could not protect them.

yes indeed whatsmyname. They WERE in that class.

Whats really sick now is seeing the absolute destruction of a school (Penn State) that the NCAA allowed to occur, that had nothing to do with academic or athletic corruption, but was rather based on the sins of a few flawed individuals and enablers. Was never a fan of Penn State, but if there is not a comparable set of sanctions on UNC coming out of this latest report, then there ought to be hell to pay for the NCAA. The Paterno family's whole argument from day one is looking more reasonable to me. Someone on a federal level needs to dig deep within that crooked organization and break it apart if necessary.

I'd sanction any sport at UNC knowingly involved in this stuff with a two year exclusion from competition. Never going to happen until you hold the NCAA accountable as well.

What will the NCAA Do? wrote:

NCAA will probably hit UNC hard on this. Shameful. No mention of T&F or XC involvement. Mostly Basketball, Football, Women's Basketball, and Baseball.

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we'VE BEEn hearing about this for some years and now some independent unholdsbarred incrimination coming out.

From:

"And it wasn't just the revenue-generating sports that benefited.

The report says that athletes in a wide range of sports were involved, and it notes a noticeable spike of enrollment of Olympic-sport athletes between 2003 and 2005."

Nudge nudge. If you think D1 xc and T&F don't have big dumb egotistical jocks in their ranks who gravitate towards nonsense majors CONSCIOUSLY for the purpose of nonsense, then you aren't well acquainted personally with such athletes.

oood wrote:

la mancha wrote:

I would prefer to watch Lehigh play Cornell in person on some gorgeous crisp fall day, in a contest between actual students than something like LSU/Alabama on tv in some massive cauldron with phony student athlete gladiators showing off their physical prowess.

Well that's just you. Some of us actually like to watch great football players. And what does a gorgeous fall day have to do with any of this?

1. It's called the NFL.

2. Everything. Why college football players in addition to the NFL? I'll tell you why. College parties and girls. That's why. Throw in your fall day and cultural bravado as part of the libidinal machismo gumbo

Former UNC Athlete wrote:

You can still get a scholarship if you can legitimately get into the school, but no more UNC and Stanford guys who can barely read a kid's book. The ideal model is the Ivy League.

Fvck the NCAA.

I agree with your basic premise, but I would like you to compare your average Stanford recruit with your average SEC-Bama/LSU/Florida football recruit. Stanford does still have standards, obviously lower than the average student population but the same thing happens at Ivies to an admittedly lesser extent. Not many 1600/4.0 kids can also play football at a D1 level, what a surprise. UNC Basketball is on a different level and I consider it a travesty as well.

I believe every D1 does this to some degree. I attended Colorado State-which is not exactly a football powerhouse then or now. At the time I attended (pre Sonny Lubick) the football team would win 4 or 5 games a season-in the WAC, which is a third tier conference. I think one time in that era they won 7, and went to a fourth tier bowl game.A star running back wrote a column for the student newspaper. I saw every one of his drafts. He was illiterate-not functionally illiterate, but completely and totally unable to write in modern American English. The stuff he wrote was unreadable, with not just spelling and grammatical errors, but sentences with no verbs, no paragraph structure, etc. The sports editor would use the copy as an outline and completely rewrite it. The running back was a white kid, from a big in-state suburban high school-not some ghetto Californian. He graduated in four years with a degree in Phys Ed. and stuck in the NFL for 3 years or so. To his credit (and to the credit of the athletic department's PR hack, who orchestrated the column) the running back did actually spend an hour a week writing something to turn in. The sports editor was asked to "clean it up" and jock sniffer that he was, he did his duty. I suspect at Bama or Nebraska, the PR hack would have typed it up for the running back.From the university athletics website-with the name and year redacted:"Among his many awards on the field, XXXXX was named as an academic All-American as a senior off the field receiving a post-graduate scholarship. Also in XXX, XXXX was named by UPI and the Associated Press on their second-team All-America, completing a hat-trick of All-American awards."This for someone who would FLUNK 8th grade English if he was enrolled at my daughter's Junior High School.This experience with this person -who by the way was a very nice guy-has made me refuse to support any collegiate athletic endeavor as an alumnus. Football is corrupt, top to bottom-and it funds all the rest.

You may wan to recheck that, bro.Tweet from Daily Tar Heel staff writer.Amanda Albright ‏ @ amanda_albrightSoccer counselor Brent Blanton steered players to fake classes & is now assoc. director of UNC's academic support prgm for SAs # DTHWainsteinThis eligibility program was entrenched deep into ALL sports, not just the revenue ones.

Former UNC Athlete wrote:

I am a former UNC athlete and I cannot defend this. I think it is despicable. I honestly believe it happens everywhere, though.

I am surprised that baseball is involved, honestly. I can say with authority that it was not happening with soccer. if it were happening, I would have spent a hell of a lot less time studying.

Brian Williams at NBC with a funny quote on the nightly news:

"We've all heard the jokes of athletes taking basketweaving 101, turns out basketweaving would have been a step up at the University of North Carolina."

side note. the one site shows "Chancellor Carol Folt" answering questions. i knew her when she was a dean at dartmouth. not that i knew her very very well, but i have no doubt this whole thing innately sickens her (and embarrases her), and she's working hard to counter that kind of culture, systemically. who knows what her success will be, but ... // as a comment.

Ram Runner Retired wrote:

This experience with this person -who by the way was a very nice guy-has made me refuse to support any collegiate athletic endeavor as an alumnus. Football is corrupt, top to bottom-and it funds all the rest.

^ this.

The NCAA is a shameful organisation, exploiting poor blacks so that odious fat white men can earn millions off their talents.

All this guff about "student-athletes" is beyond a joke and is why I ensure not a penny of my earnings goes either to the NCAA or the equally disgraceful NFL.

I generally agree with your sentiments, but the NCAA is not forcing schools to do what UNC did - set up a system to keep athletes eligible. This is a school issue. No one says you have to do it the way UNC does, and not every school does.

Frightened Inmate # 5 wrote:

Ram Runner Retired wrote:

This experience with this person -who by the way was a very nice guy-has made me refuse to support any collegiate athletic endeavor as an alumnus. Football is corrupt, top to bottom-and it funds all the rest.

^ this.

The NCAA is a shameful organisation, exploiting poor blacks so that odious fat white men can earn millions off their talents.

All this guff about "student-athletes" is beyond a joke and is why I ensure not a penny of my earnings goes either to the NCAA or the equally disgraceful NFL.

This is now on the front page of CNN. This stuff is pretty deep. 18 years? Hard to believe.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/unc-report-academic-fraud/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

la mancha wrote:

http://www.newsobserver.com/unc-scandal/#

List of articles of this subject in News and Observer, beginning August 2011 with the piece on Marvin Austin and African Studies program. Widescale coverage in 2012.

Eye Watch, you gotta get out more.

Wow Eye Watch got OWNED. LOL. Humbled!