oh here we go wrote:
Nbre wrote:It doesn't surprise me at all that a genetic super freak like Rudisha has been able to get away with irrational training habits, and no, it doesn't cause me to re-think any if my beliefs. Rudisha is a genetic monster, not an example of good training.
Have you actually seen the DNA test for Rudisha or are you just being ignorant?
I'm just being ignorant.
Bad Wigins wrote:
I have more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha and Kipketer combined. I was injured through inexperience and bad luck.
I think you need to go back and look at what you wrote. Does anyone in history have "more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha" alone, much less the two of them combined?
If you did, wouldn't you run at least 1:45 even with terrible training? Because they would have.
Bad Wigins wrote:
I was injured through inexperience and bad luck.
Same here. The best training of my life occurred my junior year of high school when I decided in the dead-of-cold New England winter to start waking up before school, Monday through Friday, and jog an easy 2 miles. Don't underestimate the benefits of the "continual mental commitment" of this kind of training. Had it not been for some foolish, untimely weight room work, I think I would have been on the verge.
Irrational, huh? Well better tell all those NXN teams that they need to stop having morning practice. Quit making up excuses, doubling is the norm now, even for high schoolers.
The Overexplainer wrote:
Does anyone in history have "more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha" alone, much less the two of them combined?
If you did, wouldn't you run at least 1:45 even with terrible training? Because they would have.
Unfortunately my 800 genes weren't all switched on at the same time. Only about a third of them have ever been active at once. It's all epigenetics.
I'm running 12 times a week at 15, without as good genetics probably. Is it good for me to do this?
dog in a blanket wrote:
The Overexplainer wrote:I think you need to go back and look at what you wrote. Does anyone in history have "more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha" alone, much less the two of them combined?
jim ryun
look him up
The Overexplainer wrote:
If you did, wouldn't you run at least 1:45 even with terrible training? Because they would have.
no they would not
You believe that people with MORE TALENT for the 800m than Rudisha would not be able to run 1:45 off of terrible training?
... and that Jim Ryun had more talent for the 800m than Rudisha and yet was a better 1500m runner than 800m runner?
Where do you guys come from?
Bad Wigins wrote:
The Overexplainer wrote:Does anyone in history have "more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha" alone, much less the two of them combined?
If you did, wouldn't you run at least 1:45 even with terrible training? Because they would have.
Unfortunately my 800 genes weren't all switched on at the same time. Only about a third of them have ever been active at once. It's all epigenetics.
Terribly convenient as an excuse.
Bad Wigins wrote:
The Overexplainer wrote:Does anyone in history have "more 800-meter-running genes than Rudisha" alone, much less the two of them combined?
If you did, wouldn't you run at least 1:45 even with terrible training? Because they would have.
Unfortunately my 800 genes weren't all switched on at the same time. Only about a third of them have ever been active at once. It's all epigenetics.
I'm sure you could have also turned into a Black Maasai if you could have switched on those genes too.
Ricky4756 wrote:
Here is an article from Athletics weekly featuring Colm O'Connell talking about Rudisha's early training. I'm sure this will surprise a few people. Should we rethink what young athletes should be doing in training?
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/coaching-philosophy-david-rudisha-colm-oconnell-11583/
People are reluctant to advise that teenagers train a lot because they fear it might do harm. But there's precious little real evidence that teenagers are less able to tolerate training than adults. One risk is that you simply turn them off from running if you try to push them to do more than they want.
We know that some great runners (e.g. Haile, Daniel Komen) did plenty of miles when pretty young.
oh here we go wrote:
no shitty coaches wrote:Have you seen Rudisha's body or are you just evading facts?
How is looking at someone's body a fact?
The guy's 6 foot 4 with legs up to his armpits. He does have a bit of a head start.
The others might be genetic freaks too, but not like Rudy.
pr100 wrote:
Ricky4756 wrote:Here is an article from Athletics weekly featuring Colm O'Connell talking about Rudisha's early training. I'm sure this will surprise a few people. Should we rethink what young athletes should be doing in training?
http://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/coaching-philosophy-david-rudisha-colm-oconnell-11583/People are reluctant to advise that teenagers train a lot because they fear it might do harm. But there's precious little real evidence that teenagers are less able to tolerate training than adults. One risk is that you simply turn them off from running if you try to push them to do more than they want.
We know that some great runners (e.g. Haile, Daniel Komen) did plenty of miles when pretty young.
I´ve worked as a T&F coach since 1985 and you can´t compare the kind of workload you could give teenagers back then compared to now.
Training for Junior championship
13 sessions a week.
Monday
6 AM 6K easy jogging
10 AM 40 min. at medium speed
4:30 PM Plyometrics and field exercises, some strides and foot pattern running
Tuesday
6 AM 6K easy jogging
10 AM 10x120m up hill sprints
4 PM 30 min. easy jog
Wednesday
6 AM 8K easy jogging
10 AM Working on a field technique, running technique, lots of stride type drills pushing very low, and plyometrics
PM Pilates class working mainly on core strength, 40 min. [presumably running]
Thursday
6 AM 6K easy
10 AM 4x600m in 1:30 with 90 seconds rest
5x400m in 56-58 seconds with 90 seconds rest
4x300m in 39-40 seconds with 60 seconds rest
2-4x200m in 25-26 with 60 seconds rest
Run to an from the track, 3K
PM Rest
Saturday
6 AM 8K slow in 40 min.
10 AM Long Run 1:20 min followed by stretching
Sunday Total rest"
Karma Police wrote:
oh here we go wrote:How is looking at someone's body a fact?
The guy's 6 foot 4 with legs up to his armpits. He does have a bit of a head start.
The others might be genetic freaks too, but not like Rudy.
Having long legs doesn't make him a genetic freak. Remember how people said this about Juantorena? Then along came Coe.
chuckapuck wrote:
Wow is this what most LetsRun threads are like? This is stupid.
Sadly, yes and yes.
Low threshold for stupidity wrote:
Karma Police wrote:The guy's 6 foot 4 with legs up to his armpits. He does have a bit of a head start.
The others might be genetic freaks too, but not like Rudy.
Having long legs doesn't make him a genetic freak. Remember how people said this about Juantorena? Then along came Coe.
Coe had long legs too.
AND how they were all dopers ...
they have one thing in common , fooled so many but
oh so dirty .
oh to think coached by a brother!
Straw M Thoroughman wrote:
Low threshold for stupidity wrote:Having long legs doesn't make him a genetic freak. Remember how people said this about Juantorena? Then along came Coe.
Coe had long legs too.
Yep - for his build.
Find me a top athlete that doesn't. Symmonds maybe, but there aren't many.